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Late Great Donald Blake

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motifian

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Subj: Re: Thor in a close one. Multi-directional lightning neutralizes speed.
Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 at 10:44:48 am EST (Viewed 88 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Thor in a close one. Multi-directional lightning neutralizes speed.
Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 at 10:19:34 pm EST (Viewed 75 times)

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    LGDB: This is all either conjecture or bad evidence on your part. The strength feats you mention here, Thor never tries and fails. We don't get to see him attempt them so we can't say whether he can match or exceed them. The Kurse boulder idea I guess you've reached a pretty bizarre conclusion with. Kurse lifts a boulder, and also in some sense, appears stronger than Thor, so you conclude Thor can't lift the boulder? This is pretty ridiculous. What we do know is Thor fights the Hulk barehanded and ostensibly wins the fight in Thor Ragnarok. Hulk MIGHT be somewhat stronger--it's hard to tell--but it's pretty clear they're depicted in a similar class. Enough that Thor can effectively fight the Hulk in hand to hand match.


So we are supposed to believe that as Thor never tries and fails in doing it, he can do it? Why not say Captain America can do those things too.

Yes, Kurse appeared to be stronger because he was presented that way.

Hulk caught Thor's two handed hammer attack with one hand and was beating him until Thor used his lightning powers.

Hulk wasn't "might be" stronger than Thor. He was flat out stronger than Thor.


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    As far as durability, none of your examples speak to the issue, and in the cinematic universe Thor basically hasn't been TKO'd yet so we haven't seen what his limits might be such that you'd know if Superman's exceeded his.


Yes, he has been koed. You're again using no limit fallacy as your proof.


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    Simply put, Superman is the strongest hero in his own universe... because Thor and Hulk aren't in his universe.



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    Doomsday is far beyond Thor in strength or lightning powers as shown in the movies.



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    LGDB: Why even make this claim if you're not going to attempt to argue for it, explain it, or provide evidence? I've just watched the Doomsday appearances in the Batman vs Superman movie. Doomsday's lightning does nothing impressive. How could you conclude that it's more powerful than Thor unless that's already a preconceived conclusion you're harboring?



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    LGDB


Doomsday's lightning rips apart buildings for several blocks in one blast and overpowered Superman completely with one energy blast.

How is it not impressive? What did Thor do with his lightning that was so impressive? Give Malekith a burn?

So we are supposed to believe that as Thor never tries and fails in doing it, he can do it? Why not say Captain America can do those things too.

Yes, Kurse appeared to be stronger because he was presented that way.

Hulk caught Thor's two handed hammer attack with one hand and was beating him until Thor used his lightning powers.

Hulk wasn't "might be" stronger than Thor. He was flat out stronger than Thor.


LGDB: Well because Captain America actually has had his limits tested in the MCU. Just off the top of my head, that helicopter in Captain America: Civil War. And ostensibly yes, if a character's strength hasn't been tested, we can't know what their limits are. It wouldn't be anymore fair for you to say character X can't do something if you haven't seen them try and fail, than it would be for me to say character X can do something despite not having done something on that level. Luckily in the case of Thor in the MCU we've seen him do plenty of high level strength feats that indicate he's up there.

Yeah, Thor begins to dominate that fight when he used his lightning powers and combining physical strikes with energy attacks, but before that he still hit a fighting mad Hulk hard enough to send him across the battlefield and crashing through like a quarter of a mile of steel wall. It's about as hard as the Hulk has been hit in the MCU, and there wasn't anything special about that hammer. It was just a big hunk of metal so far as we know.

There's nothing flat out about it. They look to be in the same strength department. At least as far as a fight is concerned, which is what matters here. I would concede that Hulk becomes stronger the angrier he gets, so eventually he'd become stronger than Thor, but that's just standard fare. And the same goes for Superman, in a fight, and Hulk whose anger was increasing would eventually become stronger than Superman.



Yes, he has been koed. You're again using no limit fallacy as your proof.


LGDB: Yeah, I was remind of this, but the circumstances were the Gamemaster's device shutting down his system, and an angry Hulk leaping half a mile in the air and punching him in the face without so much as being able to brace for it. We also don't know what degree that was Gamemaster's shock disc, i.e. how much the shock device might weaken the subject.

And no (nice try), it's not the no limit fallacy. It would be the no limit fallacy if I said that Thor's durability had no limit, because the limit hasn't been seen. I'm not saying that. I'm saying you don't know what the limit is, because you haven't seen it. There's a crucial difference there. Your argument requires that we have a strong sense of Thor's durability limit such that you can Superman's is superior. I think evidence is to the contrary.




Doomsday's lightning rips apart buildings for several blocks in one blast and overpowered Superman completely with one energy blast.

How is it not impressive? What did Thor do with his lightning that was so impressive? Give Malekith a burn?


LGDB: One hell of a burn! Like this burn... I like how earlier you were saying that "Superman... took Doomsday's lightning blast like minor breeze" to suggest Thor's lightning would be effective but now in attempt to show how powerful Doomsday's lightning is you're saying it overpowered Superman. Bam! lol \:D

And I'd say Thor's lightning among other things, took down something like a quarter of the Chitauri fleet. I think Superman feels it.


LGDB


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