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Subj: Re: Game, set, match
Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2018 at 05:55:59 am EST (Viewed 152 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Game, set, match
Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 at 11:19:35 am EST (Viewed 153 times)
Concession accepted. You only have to read both comics to know that.
Quote:Said with complete vagueness and without any proof whatsoever.
Quote:My pointing out that you have no proof and can only offer vagueness in responses showing scans and detailed explanations is not my conceding anything. That you're so desperate to claim you're winning this debate is in fact an admission that you're losing.
I've given scans and issue numbers along with the details of my argument.
I have beaten you here and that's why you are responding to fewer and fewer responses now.
Right. Where is the proof of this?
That's just completely and flat out wrong.
Yes, Wonder Woman 173 implies that. Action Comics 782 is a different scene with Lex trying to send Warworld in the future. Those are not even related.
Quote:Did you not even read what I wrote? You said that Darkseid could destroy Warworld all by himself with one blast of the omegas. I proved you wrong by showing the comic had Lex Luthor working in unison to launch a temporal displacement attack at the same time that would scatter Warworld's atoms across time.
Right here. Notice when Darkseid gets ready to attack Warworld with his newly returned power in Wonder Woman #173, Wonder Woman and Raven are right there with him since they're the ones who gave him his power back. Notice when Darkseid gets ready to attack Warworld with his newly returned power in Action Comics #782, Wonder Woman and Raven are right there with him since they're the ones who gave him his power back. Lex Luthor is right there ready to attack Warworld in unison with Darkseid. Superman calls off both attacks in both comics that are depicting the SAME scene. PROOF YOU ARE WRONG.
Wonder Woman and raven being besides him does not means Lex was along with Darkseid who was making the plan to send Warworld in the future.
It's a different scene and Wonder Woman stops Darkseid. She doesn't stops Lex as it was Steel who stops Lex later.
These are two different scenes. You can always pretend otherwise though.
And what was the attack from Lex Tower to apokolips? Let me guess, that doesn't counts?
Quote:Thank you for admitting you were wrong on blaming Imperiex. But you're still wrong about the order of events. Brainiac 13 only attacked and weakened Apokolips AFTER Darkseid's fight with Superman. It was Brainiac's very attack that interrupted the fight between Darkseid and Superman.
Quote:That didn't weaken Darkseid as per our assertion. That attack was to mislead Darkseid into attacking Earth and it worked. It did not establish a tendril between Warworld and Apokolips that was draining its energy or else Darkseid would want to attack Warworld instead as it would be the far more immediate threat.
That's exactly what Superman says. He doesn't says that he had a role in weakening Darkseid at all. In fact he says that Darkseid expanded his omega force AND Warworld tendril as the reason.
And we never saw Darkseid use omega beams on Brainiac. It was used to shatter Imperiex.
There you go.
Quote:Where did I say anything about them being equal in power?
Quote:You said Celestials and Watchers were peers in the context of talking about their powers.
Peers don't make equal in power.
Quote:Celestials had been in a fight with watchers for millenia and they were only able to beat Watchers when they did not fight back.
Quote:The comic did not at all explain the form this conflict took between Watchers and Celestials. And again, as you don't take full context into account, it's one instance of dozens of examples that show Celestials far more powerful than Watchers.
Not according to Tom Defalco.
Quote:Exitar had to conserve power for thousands of years to beat a Watcher.
Quote:A Watcher who also built up power for more than thousands of years, and then Exitar beat that Watcher in one shot.
Watcher only had information dumped within him.
Because the Watcher did not fight back.
Is this supposed to make sense? Kismet has been repeatedly shown Eternity level by both DC and Marvel.
You forgot to mention the part about your "Eternity"-level Kismet playing the biggest part in that. LOL! Maybe if Thor had Eternity-level power, he would have made a bigger hole, you think?
Quote:Thor also made a small gap in the armor which Exitar did not notice. Darkseid and Superman destroyed Imperiex body.
Quote:You're making my point for me. In comparing what Darkseid and Superman did to Imperiex and what Thor did to Exitar, you stated Darkseid and Superman destroyed Imperiex's body but left out that the most important part - that they were helped by an Eternity-level Kismet! Thor didn't have that help and so of course Thor's impact on Exitar was going to be less than Darkseid and Superman's effect on Imperiex. Eternity-level Kismet's involvement makes all the difference!
But if Darkseid was not contributing anything, why include him at all in the scene? It doesn't makes any sense story wise and just shows bias on your part.
You're dismissing Darkseid contribution in that scene because you don't like it.
Quote:Oh that? I "forgot" to remove equally. Just like you "forgot" Thor had Odin force in a clean win against Thanos. Happy?
Quote:Yes. I accept your concession. Yours is what an actual concession looks like.
Ah yes, what was yours again? Thor had a clean win when it suits you and does not when it doesn't suits you.
At least I can accept my mistakes.
You just keep asserting with no proof whatsoever. Nevermind that it makes no sense if the story were told that way.
Yes, it does. It's what allowed B13 to seize Apokolips.
Quote:*sigh* You're making stuff up again. LexCorp Tower blasting Apokolips does not in any way create either a tendril between Earth and Apokolips and certainly no tendril between Apokolips and Warworld.
Quote:This is not what an actual concession looks like.
Yes it does.
In medical comas induced artificially, there is no head trauma. This wasn't a medical coma. Thor had head trauma, he was nearly killed with his skull cracked open. That's the definition of coma good sir.
Sometimes doctors purposely induce comas, which doesn't mean they administer head trauma to the patient. In any case, there's is no "uncertainty" as to whether Thor wakes up because in the panel we next see Thor, Thor is already awake! Thus by your own definition, Thor was not ever in a coma.
Quote:Yes, it does. Coma means it's uncertain if the patient will wake up with severe head trauma. That's exactly what happened here.
Quote:Head traumas are not synonymous with comas. Comas are states in which the person cannot be awakened. Thor was awake, hence, he was not in a coma.
Head trauma along with near fatal wounds do.
He was awake after a coma. He was almost killed by a mast falling on his head.