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motifian

Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
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zvelf

Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
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Subj: Re: Game, set, match
Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 at 02:44:04 am EST (Viewed 93 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Game, set, match
Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2018 at 10:09:41 am EST (Viewed 103 times)



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      I have beaten you here and that's why you are responding to fewer and fewer responses now.



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    Citing the logical fallacy of Argumentum Ad Infinitum as a reason for winning only shows that you are losing. It's erroneous to believe that simply because people stop arguing with you that you have proven your case. I've gotten enough private messages from others here referring to your posts from the last year, that I know it's simply the case that people know you're full of hot air and are content to leave that be the case. In other words, you're not worth the time. I've only given you the time because I wanted to make this clear once and for all.


Excuses, excuses. If I were you, I'd spend more time on posting replies.

Face it, you don't have anything. Just random leaps of logic which says everything in DC comics is weak compared to everything in marvel.


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                Did you not even read what I wrote? You said that Darkseid could destroy Warworld all by himself with one blast of the omegas. I proved you wrong by showing the comic had Lex Luthor working in unison to launch a temporal displacement attack at the same time that would scatter Warworld's atoms across time.
              Yes, Wonder Woman 173 implies that. Action Comics 782 is a different scene with Lex trying to send Warworld in the future. Those are not even related.
            That's just completely and flat out wrong.
          Right. Where is the proof of this?
        Right here. Notice when Darkseid gets ready to attack Warworld with his newly returned power in Wonder Woman #173, Wonder Woman and Raven are right there with him since they're the ones who gave him his power back. Notice when Darkseid gets ready to attack Warworld with his newly returned power in Action Comics #782, Wonder Woman and Raven are right there with him since they're the ones who gave him his power back. Lex Luthor is right there ready to attack Warworld in unison with Darkseid. Superman calls off both attacks in both comics that are depicting the SAME scene. PROOF YOU ARE WRONG.
      Wonder Woman and raven being besides him does not means Lex was along with Darkseid who was making the plan to send Warworld in the future.



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    You used Wonder Woman's statement to infer that Darkseid was capable of destroying Warworld all on his own. Wonder Woman was linked in communication with Lex Luthor, Steel, and Superman so she was aware of the coordination of these attacks, so you're wrong.


Wonder Woman did not make any comment that she was receiving angry response. And in Action 782, Darkseid was in direct communication with Lex.

These two are separate instances. Done.


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      It's a different scene and Wonder Woman stops Darkseid. She doesn't stops Lex as it was Steel who stops Lex later.



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    Wow. You're going to flat out deny what's right there on the page for everyone to see. Right there on the page, you see John talking to Lex and Wonder Woman talking to John and then Superman talking to John to stop the whole attack at which point Wonder Woman stops Darkseid. Same scene referenced in two different comics.


No, they aren't. It's simple actually.


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            Thank you for admitting you were wrong on blaming Imperiex. But you're still wrong about the order of events. Brainiac 13 only attacked and weakened Apokolips AFTER Darkseid's fight with Superman. It was Brainiac's very attack that interrupted the fight between Darkseid and Superman.
          And what was the attack from Lex Tower to apokolips? Let me guess, that doesn't counts?
        That didn't weaken Darkseid as per your assertion. That attack was to mislead Darkseid into attacking Earth and it worked. It did not establish a tendril between Warworld and Apokolips that was draining its energy or else Darkseid would want to attack Warworld instead as it would be the far more immediate threat.
      It does.



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    Nope.



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        That's exactly what Superman says. He doesn't says that he had a role in weakening Darkseid at all. In fact he says that Darkseid expanded his omega force AND Warworld tendril as the reason.



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    It's Darkseid who states that SUPERMAN had a role in weakening him. Deny it all you want but it's right there on the page:


Superman doesn't says anything about his role. It's just that Omega beams were expanded and the were majorly used against Imperiex.


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      And we never saw Darkseid use omega beams on Brainiac. It was used to shatter Imperiex.



    It wasn't exhausted on Superman as per Superman himself. And Darkseid still had omega beams when he used it on Grayven.


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          Where did I say anything about them being equal in power?
        You said Celestials and Watchers were peers in the context of talking about their powers.
      Peers don't make equal in power.



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    It was in the context of talking power level. Now you're backtracking.


Peers don't mean equal in power. Where did I state that to backpeddle?


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          Celestials had been in a fight with watchers for millenia and they were only able to beat Watchers when they did not fight back.
        The comic did not at all explain the form this conflict took between Watchers and Celestials. And again, as you don't take full context into account, it's one instance of dozens of examples that show Celestials far more powerful than Watchers.
      Not according to Tom Defalco.



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    Yes, according to Tom Defalco who showed Exitar beating the most powerful Watcher easily.


Only when he wasn't fighting back. It's not a fight.

Sue Storm killed Exitar in the same issue. I guess she is more powerful than Exitar too.


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          Exitar had to conserve power for thousands of years to beat a Watcher.
        A Watcher who also built up power for more than thousands of years, and then Exitar beat that Watcher in one shot.
      Watcher only had information dumped within him.



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    Actually the issue states that Exitar was gathering energy to destroy ALL Watchers, not to beat one Watcher. Also, that Watcher, The One, was so powerful that he was ending the universe early. But keep digging.


Exitar was stated to conserve power solely for the single Watcher.

He was stated to bring the entropy of the universe slowly. That's what Guardians of the universe had done for billions of years and conserved entire universe.

Thanks for the confirmation that Watchers/Celestials are only Guardians levels of power.


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              Thor also made a small gap in the armor which Exitar did not notice. Darkseid and Superman destroyed Imperiex body.
            You forgot to mention the part about your "Eternity"-level Kismet playing the biggest part in that. LOL! Maybe if Thor had Eternity-level power, he would have made a bigger hole, you think?
          Is this supposed to make sense? Kismet has been repeatedly shown Eternity level by both DC and Marvel.
        You're making my point for me. In comparing what Darkseid and Superman did to Imperiex and what Thor did to Exitar, you stated Darkseid and Superman destroyed Imperiex's body but left out that the most important part - that they were helped by an Eternity-level Kismet! Thor didn't have that help and so of course Thor's impact on Exitar was going to be less than Darkseid and Superman's effect on Imperiex. Eternity-level Kismet's involvement makes all the difference!
      But if Darkseid was not contributing anything, why include him at all in the scene? It doesn't makes any sense story wise and just shows bias on your part.

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      You can't see the forest for the trees even though I keep the context of the debate captured above. It might help you to read it so you know what you're arguing about. The point that you're not getting is that your analogy between Darkseid's effect on Imperiex isn't directly comparable to Thor's effect on Exitar, who by the way, as referenced has enough power to destroy the entire race of Watchers. That's because Darkseid was aided by what you're calling an Eternity-level being.


    Is this supposed to make any sense? Thor made a small dent in Exitar who is several steps below Imperiex in power. Darkseid and Kismet Superman destroy Imperiex whole armor and Darkseid somehow plays no part in that because Thor made a small dent in a celestials armor?

    What in the world are you talking about here?


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          Oh that? I "forgot" to remove equally. Just like you "forgot" Thor had Odin force in a clean win against Thanos. Happy?
        Yes. I accept your concession. Yours is what an actual concession looks like.
      Ah yes, what was yours again? Thor had a clean win when it suits you and does not when it doesn't suits you. At least I can accept my mistakes.

    I already addressed and admitted to my mistake. This is literally the first time I've seen you admit to a mistake in your hundreds of mistakes on this board. Of course if you admit to those, you'd have to admit to being deliberately misleading in most of those cases.
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        He was awake after a coma. He was almost killed by a mast falling on his head. Pitiful.


      Ah yes, one typo makes it hundred of times.

      Quite an imagination you've got here.

      Again, no coma. The comic never uses the word "coma" nor implies Thor was ever in a coma. And the injury was caused by Umar, who approaches Dormammu in power.



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It was caused by a simple mast falling on his head which was broken by Umar.

It wasn't a score of planets heavy.

And yes, it was a coma. Keep digging though.


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