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motifian

Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
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zvelf

Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
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Subj: Re: Game, set, match
Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 at 10:24:51 pm CST (Viewed 70 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Game, set, match
Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 at 11:58:25 am CST (Viewed 64 times)



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          I have beaten you here and that's why you are responding to fewer and fewer responses now.
        Citing the logical fallacy of Argumentum Ad Infinitum as a reason for winning only shows that you are losing. It's erroneous to believe that simply because people stop arguing with you that you have proven your case. I've gotten enough private messages from others here referring to your posts from the last year, that I know it's simply the case that people know you're full of hot air and are content to leave that be the case. In other words, you're not worth the time. I've only given you the time because I wanted to make this clear once and for all.
      Excuses, excuses. If I were you, I'd spend more time on posting replies. Face it, you don't have anything. Just random leaps of logic which says everything in DC comics is weak compared to everything in marvel.



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    Leaps in logic? I'm not the one invoking the Argumentum Ad Infinitum fallacy. You are and you just did it again. Also, I've already posted numerous links to you of my praising DC characters and indicating DC characters wins over Marvel characters in posts all over this board. No, if anyone here has shown extreme bias between the companies, it's most clearly you.


You've done everything from argunentum ad populum to ad infinitum and everything in between to lowball Darkseid.

It's clear as day.


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                    Did you not even read what I wrote? You said that Darkseid could destroy Warworld all by himself with one blast of the omegas. I proved you wrong by showing the comic had Lex Luthor working in unison to launch a temporal displacement attack at the same time that would scatter Warworld's atoms across time.
                  Yes, Wonder Woman 173 implies that. Action Comics 782 is a different scene with Lex trying to send Warworld in the future. Those are not even related.
                That's just completely and flat out wrong.
              Right. Where is the proof of this?
            Right here. Notice when Darkseid gets ready to attack Warworld with his newly returned power in Wonder Woman #173, Wonder Woman and Raven are right there with him since they're the ones who gave him his power back. Notice when Darkseid gets ready to attack Warworld with his newly returned power in Action Comics #782, Wonder Woman and Raven are right there with him since they're the ones who gave him his power back. Lex Luthor is right there ready to attack Warworld in unison with Darkseid. Superman calls off both attacks in both comics that are depicting the SAME scene. PROOF YOU ARE WRONG.
          Wonder Woman and raven being besides him does not means Lex was along with Darkseid who was making the plan to send Warworld in the future.
        You used Wonder Woman's statement to infer that Darkseid was capable of destroying Warworld all on his own. Wonder Woman was linked in communication with Lex Luthor, Steel, and Superman so she was aware of the coordination of these attacks, so you're wrong.
      Wonder Woman did not make any comment that she was receiving angry response. And in Action 782, Darkseid was in direct communication with Lex.



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    I didn't say anything about any angry response. You're making up things again.


"Any response".


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      These two are separate instances. Done.



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    LOL! In other words, you've gone into abject psychological denial of what's right there on the page.


No, that's your default psyche. I'm just showing what's in the comics.


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        Wow. You're going to flat out deny what's right there on the page for everyone to see. Right there on the page, you see John talking to Lex and Wonder Woman talking to John and then Superman talking to John to stop the whole attack at which point Wonder Woman stops Darkseid. Same scene referenced in two different comics.
      No, they aren't. It's simple actually.



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    I love it. So simple that you can't explain it.


I've already explained it.


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      It wasn't exhausted on Superman as per Superman himself. And Darkseid still had omega beams when he used it on Grayven.



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    Thanks for writing a rebuttal that contradict your whole point. Your whole point is that Superman was able to take Darkseid's omegas in this issue because Darkseid had "expended" it on Imperiex earlier. Now you're saying the omegas were fine because he used them on Grayven (to banish him) RIGHT after fighting Superman. Thanks for making my point for me. Superman took non-exhausted omega beams over and over again and was just fine.


It shows that the omega beams were expanded on several characters and noone was solely responsible for it.

Hence why your logic that it was expanded on Superman makes no sense. Where did he attack Grayven with omega beams then?


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              Celestials had been in a fight with watchers for millenia and they were only able to beat Watchers when they did not fight back.
            The comic did not at all explain the form this conflict took between Watchers and Celestials. And again, as you don't take full context into account, it's one instance of dozens of examples that show Celestials far more powerful than Watchers.
          Not according to Tom Defalco.
        Yes, according to Tom Defalco who showed Exitar beating the most powerful Watcher easily.
      Only when he wasn't fighting back. It's not a fight.



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    Oh, you mean like in all of the Darkseid victories you cited over Superman when Superman wasn't even fighting?


Superman was fighting. But you mean in a comic where Darkseid didn't even appear, right?


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              Exitar had to conserve power for thousands of years to beat a Watcher.
            A Watcher who also built up power for more than thousands of years, and then Exitar beat that Watcher in one shot.
          Watcher only had information dumped within him.
        Actually the issue states that Exitar was gathering energy to destroy ALL Watchers, not to beat one Watcher. Also, that Watcher, The One, was so powerful that he was ending the universe early. But keep digging.
      Exitar was stated to conserve power solely for the single Watcher.



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    Wrong yet again. I gave you the scan and you still can't get it right. The Watcher states right there on the page, "Behold! For the last several thousand year, Exitar the Exterminator has gathered his energies for the sole purpose of eradicating US from this particular reality! The One will vanish first. The REST will follow," so Exitar is not beating a single Watcher, he's beating the ENTIRE RACE of Watchers:


Except he was only using it on The One. No other Watcher was attacked by Exitar.


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      He was stated to bring the entropy of the universe slowly. That's what Guardians of the universe had done for billions of years and conserved entire universe. Thanks for the confirmation that Watchers/Celestials are only Guardians levels of power.



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    You do realize you're turning yourself into even more of a joke by the second, right?


I'm just using your logic man. Don't like it?

And how is this a joke? Remember how Krona thrashed Galactus? He was just a Guardian.


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