Dave Galanter
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motifian

Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
Posts: 3,077
In Reply To
zvelf

Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
Subj: Re: Game, set, match
Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 at 11:28:10 pm EST (Viewed 117 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Game, set, match
Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 at 07:23:58 am EST (Viewed 104 times)



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      You've done everything from argunentum ad populum to ad infinitum and everything in between to lowball Darkseid.



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    I stated outright that I think Darkseid should be depicted more powerfully than he was prior to New 52, so no, I'm not trying to lowball Darkseid. I've only presented what's in the comics via scans so if anyone's lowballing Darkseid, it's DC.



Darkseid is written more powerful than you think though. It's just that you will lowball anyone because you don't like him and Superman.

Superman is so weak and so is Darkseid, huh?


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                        Did you not even read what I wrote? You said that Darkseid could destroy Warworld all by himself with one blast of the omegas. I proved you wrong by showing the comic had Lex Luthor working in unison to launch a temporal displacement attack at the same time that would scatter Warworld's atoms across time.
                      Yes, Wonder Woman 173 implies that. Action Comics 782 is a different scene with Lex trying to send Warworld in the future. Those are not even related.
                    That's just completely and flat out wrong.
                  Right. Where is the proof of this?
                Right here. Notice when Darkseid gets ready to attack Warworld with his newly returned power in Wonder Woman #173, Wonder Woman and Raven are right there with him since they're the ones who gave him his power back. Notice when Darkseid gets ready to attack Warworld with his newly returned power in Action Comics #782, Wonder Woman and Raven are right there with him since they're the ones who gave him his power back. Lex Luthor is right there ready to attack Warworld in unison with Darkseid. Superman calls off both attacks in both comics that are depicting the SAME scene. PROOF YOU ARE WRONG.
              Wonder Woman and raven being besides him does not means Lex was along with Darkseid who was making the plan to send Warworld in the future.
            You used Wonder Woman's statement to infer that Darkseid was capable of destroying Warworld all on his own. Wonder Woman was linked in communication with Lex Luthor, Steel, and Superman so she was aware of the coordination of these attacks, so you're wrong.
          Wonder Woman did not make any comment that she was receiving angry response. And in Action 782, Darkseid was in direct communication with Lex.
        I didn't say anything about any angry response. You're making up things again.
      "Any response".



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    I can't help it if you write "angry" when you mean "any" but I guess that another Freudian slip. Aw, motifian, don't be so angry. Everyone loses debates.


Yes, you lost several debates in thread. Don't be sorry, you'll lose even more with the rate you are going.


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            Wow. You're going to flat out deny what's right there on the page for everyone to see. Right there on the page, you see John talking to Lex and Wonder Woman talking to John and then Superman talking to John to stop the whole attack at which point Wonder Woman stops Darkseid. Same scene referenced in two different comics.
          No, they aren't. It's simple actually.
        I love it. So simple that you can't explain it.
      I've already explained it.



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    I ask you for an explanation, one you say is simple, and instead of providing it, you can only say that you've already done it when in fact, you haven't. You can't have lost this debate more badly.


I've already done it.

You lost, get over it.


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          It wasn't exhausted on Superman as per Superman himself. And Darkseid still had omega beams when he used it on Grayven.
        Thanks for writing a rebuttal that contradict your whole point. Your whole point is that Superman was able to take Darkseid's omegas in this issue because Darkseid had "expended" it on Imperiex earlier. Now you're saying the omegas were fine because he used them on Grayven (to banish him) RIGHT after fighting Superman. Thanks for making my point for me. Superman took non-exhausted omega beams over and over again and was just fine.
      It shows that the omega beams were expanded on several characters and noone was solely responsible for it.



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    LOL! You're scrambling to make up some explanation. That was NEVER your explanation for Darkseid being weakened throughout this entire thread. All of a sudden, it's your new explanation. But no, Darkseid himself doesn't lay blame on a bunch of different characters. He names Superman, who is responsible for Darkseid's expending his omegas, and Brainiac 13, who is responsible for the energy tendril sapping Apokolips.


But Superman says it's his omega beams expanding. So if he expanded it all on Superman as you said, how is he doing it on Grayven?

So I take you think Superman>>>Imperiex?


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      Hence why your logic that it was expanded on Superman makes no sense. Where did he attack Grayven with omega beams then?



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    Darkseid's omegas in that instance isn't a destructive beam but a teleportation beam that banishes Grayven. It's weaker than a destructive beam.


But you said Darkseid expanded it all on Superman and Brainiac drained Apokolips.

How can he use omega beams on Grayven if it all expanded on Superman?


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                  Exitar had to conserve power for thousands of years to beat a Watcher.
                A Watcher who also built up power for more than thousands of years, and then Exitar beat that Watcher in one shot.
              Watcher only had information dumped within him.
            Actually the issue states that Exitar was gathering energy to destroy ALL Watchers, not to beat one Watcher. Also, that Watcher, The One, was so powerful that he was ending the universe early. But keep digging.
          Exitar was stated to conserve power solely for the single Watcher.
        Wrong yet again. I gave you the scan and you still can't get it right. The Watcher states right there on the page, "Behold! For the last several thousand year, Exitar the Exterminator has gathered his energies for the sole purpose of eradicating US from this particular reality! The One will vanish first. The REST will follow," so Exitar is not beating a single Watcher, he's beating the ENTIRE RACE of Watchers:
      Except he was only using it on The One. No other Watcher was attacked by Exitar.



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    Your lack of logic knows no limits. Just because Exitar didn't kill all of the Watchers because he was stopped by the Fantastic Four doesn't mean he wasn't about to. In any case, what you actually wrote was, "Exitar was STATED to conserve power solely for the SINGLE Watcher." I already proved that utterly wrong. Again, the comic STATES, "Behold! For the last several thousand year, Exitar the Exterminator has gathered his energies for the sole purpose of eradicating US from this particular reality! The One will vanish first. The REST will follow." So you're wrong.


He wasn't stopped by Fantastic Four immediately. He had ample time to attack any Watcher but didn't.

And the Watcher didn't try to defend himself. Otherwise they were stalemating for millennia.

So Sue Storm killed an amped Exitar then?


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          He was stated to bring the entropy of the universe slowly. That's what Guardians of the universe had done for billions of years and conserved entire universe. Thanks for the confirmation that Watchers/Celestials are only Guardians levels of power.
        You do realize you're turning yourself into even more of a joke by the second, right?
      I'm just using your logic man. Don't like it? And how is this a joke? Remember how Krona thrashed Galactus? He was just a Guardian.



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    Like I said, a joke.


Krona didn't stomp Galactus in the mud like I do to all your arguments?


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