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...this "Franklin universe" was part of 616 canon.
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The Franklin universe itself was a part of 616 canon but not the events which transpired within it. Original hero origins and histories/events were changed which never took place in 616. Upon completion of the story, the FF and Avengers were returned back to the mainstream Marvel universe.
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I now remember this event as I still have all...edit: most of the original stories.
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But Ashema was from the 616 universe, and I thought it was also the true Thor she turned into a frog.
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FF and Avengers were from the 616 universe too. And she did turn Thor into a frog.....in Franklin's pocket non-cannon universe.
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So be clear then. Did a 616 celestial turn a 616 Thor into a frog or not?
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At the end of Heroes Reborn saga, FF and Avengers were returned to the mainstream Marvel universe. So yes, it's a story that happened but it's not considered to be cannon.
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Remember heroes origins and histories were changed in Franklin's universe. So there was no truth to begin with.
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Now if you want to say a celestial has the power to change someone to a frog in 616 universe, I won't refute it.
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From Ashema’s perspective and the celestial’s, nothing ever happened then? She went into a non-canon pocket universe, conducted an experiment, and reported the results to the other celestials. But the part where she turned the 616 Thor into a frog got erased from her report because...?
I’m glad that you don’t doubt a celestial can turn Thor into a frog but I feel your rationale that it never happened in a canon story or canonical sense is just untrue.
