Dave Galanter
December 1st 1969 - December 12th 2020
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Knight

Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
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BlackGhost

Member Since: Sun Feb 11, 2018
Subj: Re: Captain Marvel (Carol) vs Green Lantern (Hal)
Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2021 at 12:09:36 am EDT (Viewed 28 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Captain Marvel (Carol) vs Green Lantern (Hal)
Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2021 at 02:40:51 pm EDT (Viewed 34 times)




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    Captain Marvel seems to be tailor made to take down ANY Green Lantern given her power-set.


Just curious but have you read any of the Green Lantern books? ANY Green Lantern? Including Ion, the personification of Willpower? Ion, who allowed Kyle "The Alley Rat" Rayner perform nearly anything he wanted and was on a level equal, perhaps greater than the Spectre himself? And let's not forget the the time the Alley Rat was a White Lantern, who had all the powers of the Light Spectrum and was, more or less, close to his power level as Ion? Uhhh, nope. Carol ain't beating that. I already mentioned a handful of Hal's most recent feats that clearly put him above Carol, WAY above. How is she going to beat Hal when he's already beaten her in 30 seconds flat? And let's not forget Sodam Yat, who is a Daxamite (who has all of Superman's powers), a power ring AND the power of Ion. This guy may have lost his fight with Superboy-Prime but we all know Prime is a near Pre-Crisis level "Superman" and he struggled against Yat (who was a rookie at the time). Carol wouldn't come anywhere NEAR beating that either.


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    One of her the most useful and remarkable is the ability to absorb and manipulate energy. She can absorb various types of energy, including common energy forms like electricity, and use that to enhance her own physical powers.
    In addition to boosting her superhuman abilities, she can also project that energy from her hands. Her energy projection can be as intense as the force of an exploding nuclear bomb.
    This energy manipulation is the basis for most of her power set, allowing for many aspects of her strength, durability, and flight. It also provides a small amount of molecular control that allows Captain Marvel to transform into her costume.
    Mar-Vell usually absorbed energy from solar radiation, gaining power from the sun similar to Superman.
    However, Mar-Vell and Captain Marvel can both use a host of different energy types to power their abilities, meaning they don't have to rely strictly on the sun. In one case, Captain Marvel even absorbed the energy of a fellow superhero, Spectrum, a superhuman who could transform into electromagnetic energy.
    Their energy abilities have been used to simulate other powers, such as simulating telekinesis by manipulating the energy around an object. Energy manipulation and absorption have occasionally been shown to provide other powers, such as the ability to change one's size.
    Captain Marvel's Kree conversion left her with sensory awareness far beyond the limits of an ordinary human. She developed a cosmic awareness and precognition that allowed her to sense danger before a crisis even started.
    This was called her "seventh sense," though it remains unclear what her sixth sense is supposed to be. When she was still a split personality, this precognition of danger would prompt her to transform into Ms. Marvel.
    In many ways, this cosmic awareness is similar to Spider-Man's "Spidey-Sense," but it also seems to provide her powers beyond the sense of oncoming danger.
    Her precognition also makes her a formidable fighter, as she can predict an opponent's attack before he even makes it. As useful as this power is, it seems to be a watered-down version of Mar-Vell's even more impressive cosmic awareness.


Cool list of powers but I am well aware of what she is capable of. ~_^

Just because Carol can absorb all kinds of energy doesn't mean it's an auto win for her.


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    Combine this these with her overall other powers she should be able to be even able to take on Hal and take him down by draining ANY GL ring and absorb any constructs or attacks to get even stronger.


In theory, yes. In practice, no. Carol has struggled against opponents who are considered top tiers (such as Thor and even Iron Man). In fact, in her fight against Thor, she never once attempted to drain the hammer's mystical energy nor appeared to absorb any of Thor's lightning attacks to get stronger. And as I already stated, her Cosmic Awareness rarely comes into play, otherwise she'd be unbeatable and Thor wouldn't have been able to draw blood.

Carol certainly can drain Hal's ring, perhaps even his constructs, but given how Carol usually fights her opponents that isn't the first thing she's going to do. And Hal's fought against many energy drainers before and triumphed over them. And if you really want to go the changing size route, so can Hal. He can even shape-shift with the ring if he wants to and he can drain energy to recharge his ring as well like he did when he copped off a charge from Ganthet's energy projection. So it's not as if Hal doesn't have options to prevent his ring from being drained. It's not considered the most powerful weapon in the universe for nothing you know.

I'm sorry, but even though Carol can win this, I just don't think she can pull off the majority of wins against Hal, Sodam Yat or even Ion. Perhaps the average GL, but not against any of the veterans given her history on how she prefers to fight. The potential is definitely there, but like a lot of characters who could conceivably win just about every fight they get into if they used their powers to the fullest (i.e. the Flash), Carol doesn't win all the time. She's struggled against opponents Hal would demolish.





It's interesting that a hero/villain performs one amazing feat, or use a power they haven't used for 20+ years, and that automatically propels them to a high status despite scans and evidence to the contrary. I don't know what is worse, selective feat picking that has only been done once or twice 20, or more, years ago or ignoring evidence from scans or the lack thereof. We need to stop putting our favorite heroes/villains on pedestals and start putting them where they really belong. But it's evident that people never will because they would rather accuse others of cherry picking feats, when they don't, and being 'morally superior' when they aren't. I guess being honest and as fair as possible only opens one up to being the target of childish accusations and fault finding by those who insist on acting petty and childish. What happened to a good debate between two civil, mature, adults?
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