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Subj: Re: No, I don't , I voted for him TWICE
Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 at 09:18:59 pm EST
Reply Subj: Re: No, I don't , I voted for him TWICE
Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 at 03:06:28 pm EST

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>I think he did the best anyone could with the available information

I strongly disagree. A Gore Administration, like every other government in the world would not have attacked Iraq under these circumstances. Afghanistan, yes. Iraq, no. The Bush Administration clearly saw what it wanted to see despite numerous notes of caution about the intelligence from the CIA and elsewhere.

>and removing Saddam and the Taliban were 'good' things.

Good, yes, from some perspectives, but I bet a lot of Iraqis would rather have food, electricity, a job, and their lives while being under Saddam’s rule than facing the civil war they are right now. Even Saddam wasn’t killing dozens of his people EVERY SINGLE DAY. More to the point, the criticism of Bush isn’t that he removed Saddam. It’s that his Administration totally failed to plan for the insurgency afterward that has led to more than 3,100 American lives lost, tens if not hundreds of thousands of Iraqis killed, and over $400 billion spent on this war.

>It speaks volumes of what kind of world we live in that removing Saddam is a 'war crime' to some.

That’s a straw argument. Removing Saddam is not the war crime. Keeping thousands of people imprisoned with no stated charges and often under torture for YEARS is a crime.

>In any case, after 9/11, this world is lucky a nuclear arsenal was in the hands of nation like the USA. I would say any other nation with similar power after an attack of this magnitude would not send troops, but, just launch ICBMs. G-D Bless Bush and our Troops.

That is wild and unwarranted speculation. I severely doubt any of the European nations would launch nuclear weapons in the event of the Eiffel Tower or Big Ben getting blown up with thousands of casualties. Russia or China may be more likely to respond this way, but still highly unlikely to do so. Who exactly would they bomb anyway? Al Qaeda is not a location.


> >I think he did the best anyone could with the available information
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> I strongly disagree. A Gore Administration, like every other government in the world would not have attacked Iraq under these circumstances. Afghanistan, yes. Iraq, no. The Bush Administration clearly saw what it wanted to see despite numerous notes of caution about the intelligence from the CIA and elsewhere.

If Clinton/Gore had acted in the 1990's, there may not have been a 9/11. Yesterday was the anniversary of the first WTC bombing in 1993, not enough was done or in place in the 8 years and numerous attacks after it. Be that as it may, President Clinton had put into affect a plan to remove Saddam in 1998. 20/20 hindsight is easy, but, Gore as well as most in Congress were in favor of removing Saddam.
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> >and removing Saddam and the Taliban were 'good' things.
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> Good, yes, from some perspectives, but I bet a lot of Iraqis would rather have food, electricity, a job, and their lives while being under Saddam?s rule than facing the civil war they are right now. Even Saddam wasn?t killing dozens of his people EVERY SINGLE DAY. More to the point, the criticism of Bush isn?t that he removed Saddam. It?s that his Administration totally failed to plan for the insurgency afterward that has led to more than 3,100 American lives lost, tens if not hundreds of thousands of Iraqis killed, and over $400 billion spent on this war.

Well, the hundreds of thousands already dead, while the 'Peace Coalition' of China, Russia, Germany and others were getting ready to have a sanctionless Iraq with Saddam still there was a relief to most Iraqis. No, every single day TERRORIST KILL CIVILIANS, and we better hope we don't totally fail. There are always 'insurgencies' after every war, people have been removed from power. The WTC Bombing took 19 guys and blew a $500 Billion dollar hole in the economy with 3,000 civilians dead, and Iraqi's were dying wholesale every day with Saddam in charge and the UN doing nothing as usual, except blaming the USA and Israel.
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> >It speaks volumes of what kind of world we live in that removing Saddam is a 'war crime' to some.
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> That?s a straw argument. Removing Saddam is not the war crime. Keeping thousands of people imprisoned with no stated charges and often under torture for YEARS is a crime.

What people? You mean those at Gitmo, unfortunately, it's not thousands and they certainly are way better off than the civilians or anyone who have fallen into the hands of Al Qeada around the world. Beheading is a war crime still, isn't it? Where is OUTCRY of the crimes of AL QEADA and the Muslim Fascists? It is amazing many who care of so-called torture , care nothing of the rest of that imprisoned Island, Cuba, where librarians are still jailed for 10 years for the wrong books. People picked up, in most cases, were not innocent bystanders.
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> >In any case, after 9/11, this world is lucky a nuclear arsenal was in the hands of nation like the USA. I would say any other nation with similar power after an attack of this magnitude would not send troops, but, just launch ICBMs. G-D Bless Bush and our Troops.
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> That is wild and unwarranted speculation. I severely doubt any of the European nations would launch nuclear weapons in the event of the Eiffel Tower or Big Ben getting blown up with thousands of casualties. Russia or China may be more likely to respond this way, but still highly unlikely to do so. Who exactly would they bomb anyway? Al Qaeda is not a location.
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You're probably right , sadly, about Europe, especially France which has ceded whole neighborhoods to laws of Islam. I'm glad you said Al Qaeda is not a location, it could be and is in places from Afghan and Iraq, to Iran and Saudi. We picked two, the war continues and no amount of childish so-called 'anti-war' marches, which are really 'pro-terrorist' marches, will stop this global war.


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