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Deborah

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The Black Guardian

Subj: Re: Yes, we do eat to live. I wouldn't want to kill off an entire species though....
Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 at 01:08:14 am EST
Reply Subj: Re: Yes, we do eat to live. I wouldn't want to kill off an entire species though....
Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 06:51:04 pm EST

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> > Species were dying out long before mankind got here. They will
> > continue to die out long after we're gone. It doesn't really make a
> > difference, as long as it isn't mine.
>
> Well, yes and no. The above statement is true, but it ignores the
> fact that humans have a bigger effect on *changing* their environment
> than any other species and, more importantly, that overall humans
> take way more than they give back. And way more than they need.
> Others species don't hoard like that, or waste like humans do.
>
> Harkening back to the above example, if a tiger is hungry it goes and
> kills something and eats it. Humans, to get their food, kill not
> only what they eat, but cause all kinds of collateral damage. Farms
> drive all kinds of other animals away from their homes and eliminate
> their food. Harvesting crops kills burrowing animals. etc. etc.

I'm not ignoring any of that, but I just think that's part of the nature of the beast. There's nothing morally wrong with killing animals for food, clothing, or shelter. Left unchecked, other animals will cause all kinds of collateral damage. Not as severe as humans, but still severe.

And if a species can't cope with it, then it's just evolution being the unkind lady she is. Things will eventually even themselves out when the ecosystem can't support the extisting number of humans. In the meantime, I'm going to eat, drink, be merry, and live as a top-of-the-food-chain should.
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> I'm not ignoring any of that, but I just think that's part of the nature of the beast. There's nothing morally wrong with killing animals for food, clothing, or shelter. Left unchecked, other animals will cause all kinds of collateral damage. Not as severe as humans, but still severe.

I totally agree that there is nothing wrong or immoral with being a carnivore, be that carnivore human, or a tiger, or a shark, or a venus fly trap.

I also think, however, that as humans do have (allegedly) greater intelligence and most definitely do greater damage--especially since we are aware of it--that we should take every possible effort to minimize the damage we do. The whole "with great power comes great responsibility" philosophy.

> And if a species can't cope with it, then it's just evolution being the unkind lady she is. Things will eventually even themselves out when the ecosystem can't support the extisting number of humans. In the meantime, I'm going to eat, drink, be merry, and live as a top-of-the-food-chain should.

Except it's not just evolution. Humans are having a way bigger effect than that. And yes, on the one hand I agree, humans are not separate from nature. But on the other hand, I also contend that industry and technology are *not* part of nature, so we humans should be very cognizant of not going overboard.


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