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Henrique Ferreira

In Reply To
The Black Guardian

Subj: Re: Yes, we do eat to live. I wouldn't want to kill off an entire species though....
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 at 04:51:28 am EST
Reply Subj: Re: Yes, we do eat to live. I wouldn't want to kill off an entire species though....
Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 06:51:04 pm EST

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> > Species were dying out long before mankind got here. They will
> > continue to die out long after we're gone. It doesn't really make a
> > difference, as long as it isn't mine.
>
> Well, yes and no. The above statement is true, but it ignores the
> fact that humans have a bigger effect on *changing* their environment
> than any other species and, more importantly, that overall humans
> take way more than they give back. And way more than they need.
> Others species don't hoard like that, or waste like humans do.
>
> Harkening back to the above example, if a tiger is hungry it goes and
> kills something and eats it. Humans, to get their food, kill not
> only what they eat, but cause all kinds of collateral damage. Farms
> drive all kinds of other animals away from their homes and eliminate
> their food. Harvesting crops kills burrowing animals. etc. etc.

I'm not ignoring any of that, but I just think that's part of the nature of the beast. There's nothing morally wrong with killing animals for food, clothing, or shelter. Left unchecked, other animals will cause all kinds of collateral damage. Not as severe as humans, but still severe.

And if a species can't cope with it, then it's just evolution being the unkind lady she is. Things will eventually even themselves out when the ecosystem can't support the extisting number of humans. In the meantime, I'm going to eat, drink, be merry, and live as a top-of-the-food-chain should.
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> I'm not ignoring any of that, but I just think that's part of the nature of the beast. There's nothing morally wrong with killing animals for food, clothing, or shelter. Left unchecked, other animals will cause all kinds of collateral damage. Not as severe as humans, but still severe.

I think it's wrong to kill animals for clothing. We have lots of synthetic alternatives. To take lives for vanity is immoral, IMO. Food, however, is in our nature. We can fight it, sure, but we choose not to. I'd probably become a vegetarian if I had to kill my own food. Wouldn't have the heart for it.

> And if a species can't cope with it, then it's just evolution being the unkind lady she is. Things will eventually even themselves out when the ecosystem can't support the extisting number of humans. In the meantime, I'm going to eat, drink, be merry, and live as a top-of-the-food-chain should.

But we are ruining every ecosystem there is. We are making sure that nothing can survive but us, and whoever we let live. Animals kill for food, not for sport, not for fun. We do all of the above, and then some. We dump pollution in rivers and kill entire ecosystems. We damage ecosystems and kill animals for profit. We wipe out entire races of animals, leaving their other predators without food, and their prey to grow unchecked.

You'll tell me "so what, that's nature", but it's not. It's technology. There's nothing natural about the gods we've become, and how we decide what lives and what dies.

As for nature deciding this planet cannot support this many humans... maybe it has done that already. I can think of a number of creatures that have shown up in the past few decades whose only purpose was to kill massive amounts of humans. The Ebola virus, the HIV, the Dengue virus... sometimes I wonder if there's not a measure of population control there.

Henrique Ferreira




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