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Subj: Re: Some questions I'm looking for opinions on. Theology related
Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 at 12:45:05 am EST (Viewed 3 times)
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Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 10:43:53 pm EST (Viewed 2 times)

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This is just something I’ve been wondering different people’s opinions on for awhile. It is not intended to offend anyone or their religious beliefs nor is this being used for anything besides my own personal curiosity.

One justification for human dominion of the planet is that humans are a superior species or of a higher order of species than others. This gives humans dominion over the planet and depending on who you ask either the right to do with it and the animals, such as killing them for food or sport, on it whatever we want to other people who claim it gives us a greater responsibility to the planet. Support for this is found in the justification of different religions to humans being more intelligent in at least some sense and being higher up on the food chain. While this is an arguable point let us assume for a moment that humans are of a higher order than other animals.

This leads us into the theology part. Most modern definitions of the monotheistic god differ on wording and details, but usually describe G-d as:

“an anthropomorphic being of both creation and destruction who is aside from the highest being, the most powerful, all-knowing, and benevolent, and perfect.”

Then there is the idea of gods. Here the definition is less concrete and varies from a humanlike figure with great power such as control over nature to a being that is the personification of a concept or object with great power. The one thing nearly all descriptions of G-d or gods include is they are often considered to be beings of a higher order above humans.

With all of that in mind and assuming for a moment that gods are of a higher order above humans AND that G-d or gods are real what are your opinions/answers to the following questions:

Remember, for the sake of discussion assume that the being in the question is real, is a higher order of being, and what the claim is.

1.    Inspired by Neil Gaiman’s The Sandman, is the greatest thing a human can achieve in life to die at the hands of G-d since doing so would serve a higher power and at the same time dispel any questions about the existence of such beings? What if it was dying at the hands of a polytheistic god such as Apollo?

2.    Since G-d created this world and everything in it, knows everything, and is perfect does G-d therefore have the right to do whatever He wants with this world? If G-d decided it was best for a world for a person to die without explaining why, even an infant or virtuous person would it be alright for G-d to kill that person? What about an entire people or nation if it was in the name of justice?

3.    Gods plural were rarely thought of as all-powerful, all-knowing or even all good, but they are still thought of as a higher order of being and sometimes the embodiment of whatever they represented. In ancient Greece Zeus was thought of as the dispenser of justice and knowing pretty much everything or at least most things were his will, if acting in this capacity of justice does Zeus have the right to kill a person even if to human eyes the man is an upstanding member of the community? What about sending a plague to strike an entire town to get at one murderer and letting the community figure out who the murderer is?

4.    What about a lesser god such as Ares, ancient Greek god of savage warfare or Tyr, Norse god of honorable warfare? Does he have the right to strike down a mortal who has offended him? What about an entire community? Would it depend on the god? (Ex. A more benevolent on such as Baldur or Athena)

5.    If G-d wanted you to die and told you it is for the good of Earth, but would not explain why would you do it?

6.    What if polytheistic god wanted you to die without explaining why and claimed it was for the good of Earth? Would you go ahead and die? What if they explained it to you? Would it depend on the god? (Ex. A more benevolent on such as Baldur or Athena)

7.    Should G-d be held to the same standards as humans? Or due to being beyond human are He/they beyond human concepts of good and evil or at least human judgment and morality?

8.    The same above except this time for gods instead of G-d.



Thank you for taking the time to respond to this.

> This is just something I've been wondering different people's
> opinions on for awhile. It is not intended to offend anyone or their
> religious beliefs nor is this being used for anything besides my own
> personal curiosity.
>
> One justification for human dominion of the planet is that humans are
> a superior species or of a higher order of species than others. This
> gives humans dominion over the planet and depending on who you ask
> either the right to do with it and the animals, such as killing them
> for food or sport, on it whatever we want to other people who claim
> it gives us a greater responsibility to the planet. Support for this
> is found in the justification of different religions to humans being
> more intelligent in at least some sense and being higher up on the
> food chain. While this is an arguable point let us assume for a
> moment that humans are of a higher order than other animals.
>
> This leads us into the theology part. Most modern definitions of the
> monotheistic god differ on wording and details, but usually describe
> G-d as:
>
> "an anthropomorphic being of both creation and destruction who is
> aside from the highest being, the most powerful, all-knowing, and
> benevolent, and perfect."
>
> Then there is the idea of gods. Here the definition is less concrete
> and varies from a humanlike figure with great power such as control
> over nature to a being that is the personification of a concept or
> object with great power. The one thing nearly all descriptions of
> G-d or gods include is they are often considered to be beings of a
> higher order above humans.
>
> With all of that in mind and assuming for a moment that gods are of a
> higher order above humans AND that G-d or gods are real what are your
> opinions/answers to the following questions:
>
> Remember, for the sake of discussion assume that the being in the
> question is real, is a higher order of being, and what the claim is.

I'm going to preface this by stating that I am not a believer in any conscious higher power, but making the assumption that one exists, these are my opinions.

> 1. Inspired by Neil Gaiman's The Sandman, is the greatest thing a
> human can achieve in life to die at the hands of G-d since doing so
> would serve a higher power and at the same time dispel any questions
> about the existence of such beings? What if it was dying at the
> hands of a polytheistic god such as Apollo?

No. The greatest thing a man or woman can achieve is a very open-ended question. There are tons of great things that can be achieved. Dying is always the final achievement in life, and it could certainly be great, but wouldn't it always be better to accomplish the same thing without dying?

> 2. Since G-d created this world and everything in it, knows
> everything, and is perfect does G-d therefore have the right to do
> whatever He wants with this world? If G-d decided it was best for a
> world for a person to die without explaining why, even an infant or
> virtuous person would it be alright for G-d to kill that person? What
> about an entire people or nation if it was in the name of justice?

Yes. It's not a question of whether or not God has the right. God *is* the right.

> 3. Gods plural were rarely thought of as all-powerful, all-knowing or
> even all good, but they are still thought of as a higher order of
> being and sometimes the embodiment of whatever they represented. In
> ancient Greece Zeus was thought of as the dispenser of justice and
> knowing pretty much everything or at least most things were his will,
> if acting in this capacity of justice does Zeus have the right to
> kill a person even if to human eyes the man is an upstanding member
> of the community? What about sending a plague to strike an entire
> town to get at one murderer and letting the community figure out who
> the murderer is?

Yes. It's not a question of whether or not these gods have the right. They *are* the right.

> 4. What about a lesser god such as Ares, ancient Greek god of savage
> warfare or Tyr, Norse god of honorable warfare? Does he have the
> right to strike down a mortal who has offended him? What about an
> entire community? Would it depend on the god? (Ex. A more benevolent
> on such as Baldur or Athena)

Lesser gods would be honour bound to follow the command of a superior god. When they don't, there is a punishment that they must endure. Barring any conflict with a higher god, however, it's not a question of whether or not these gods have the right. They *are* the right.

> 5. If G-d wanted you to die and told you it is for the good of Earth,
> but would not explain why would you do it?

No. If God wanted me to die, then I would die. There's no reason for any explanation. Any explanation that I would have would be my flawed interpretation of the true reason.

> 6. What if polytheistic god wanted you to die without explaining why
> and claimed it was for the good of Earth? Would you go ahead and
> die? What if they explained it to you? Would it depend on the god?
> (Ex. A more benevolent on such as Baldur or Athena)

Again, if any of these gods wanted me to die, then I would die. There's no reason for any explanation. Any explanation that I would have would be my flawed interpretation of the true reason.

> 7. Should G-d be held to the same standards as humans? Or due to
> being beyond human are He/they beyond human concepts of good and evil
> or at least human judgment and morality?

No. God is *the* standard. Human concepts of good or evil are based on our flawed understanding of that standard.

> 8. The same above except this time for gods instead of G-d.

For polytheistic religions, these gods represent facets of the nature of the universe. They are *the* standard, and our concepts of good or evil are based on our flawed understanding of that standard.
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