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Subj: Re: Some questions I'm looking for opinions on. Theology related
Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 03:34:13 pm EST
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Nice thread! I am muslim so will answer from that point of view.

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> 1. is the greatest thing a human can achieve in life to die at the hands of G-d since doing so would serve a higher power and at the same time dispel any questions about the existence of such beings? What if it was dying at the hands of a polytheistic god such as Apollo?

Die at the hands of God? You mean, die because that is what God has decreed as fate, or die as in personally killed? I wouldn;t call that the highest achievement - everyone has to die! Highest achievement would be sacrificing all you have in God's service, which could include dying, or living with nothing. Dying at apollo;s hand, nah that would not seem cool.



> 2.    Since G-d created this world and everything in it, knows everything, and is perfect does G-d therefore have the right to do whatever He wants with this world?
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In Islam we believe that He has 99 names, including things like The Most Merciful, The Most Just. Human ideas of mercy and justice are only pale imitations of the true aspects. While God could in theory be unjust, in Revelation He claims He never is, and in the end treats all beings with what they deserve. Since his knowledge and power surpasses ours, we can't really test that and have no choice but to trust Him.


> 3.    Gods plural were rarely thought of as all-powerful, all-knowing or even all good,
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They were also subject to fate and certain laws, esp in Norse myths, there are plenty of examples where viking gods suffered because they too had rules they had to obey. I can't remember if this was as prevalent in greek myths, but there were the Fates in them too, I just don't remember the greek gods suffering for breaking rules.



> 4.    What about a lesser god such as Ares, ancient Greek god of savage warfare or Tyr, Norse god of honorable warfare? Does he have the right to strike down a mortal who has offended him? What about an entire community? Would it depend on the god? (Ex. A more benevolent on such as Baldur or Athena)
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I would say no, because these gods never impressed me much, being so petty. Unfortunately they had the power to curse mortals and control our afterlife so if I disobeyed them or tried to tell them they were being evil, I;d get sent to Hades \:\(


> 5.    If G-d wanted you to die and told you it is for the good of Earth, but would not explain why would you do it?
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Yes, assuming I could prove it was God and not schizophrenia \:\) God gave me life, He can take it as He pleases. Abraham and his son (peace be upon them) certainly thought so.


> 6.    What if polytheistic god wanted you to die without explaining why and claimed it was for the good of Earth? Would you go ahead and die? What if they explained it to you? Would it depend on the god? (Ex. A more benevolent on such as Baldur or Athena)
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Again, I would have more problems with this as they were quite fallible.



> Nice thread! I am muslim so will answer from that point of view.
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Great.
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> > 1. is the greatest thing a human can achieve in life to die at the hands of G-d since doing so would serve a higher power and at the same time dispel any questions about the existence of such beings? What if it was dying at the hands of a polytheistic god such as Apollo?
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> Die at the hands of God? You mean, die because that is what God has decreed as fate, or die as in personally killed? I wouldn;t call that the highest achievement - everyone has to die! Highest achievement would be sacrificing all you have in God's service, which could include dying, or living with nothing. Dying at apollo;s hand, nah that would not seem cool.
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Both either at the hands of G-d or because G-d has decreed it. In a way they are almost the same thing.
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> > 3.    Gods plural were rarely thought of as all-powerful, all-knowing or even all good,
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> They were also subject to fate and certain laws, esp in Norse myths, there are plenty of examples where viking gods suffered because they too had rules they had to obey. I can't remember if this was as prevalent in greek myths, but there were the Fates in them too, I just don't remember the greek gods suffering for breaking rules.
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I just used the Norse and Greek gods as examples and because so few people worship them now days I didn't think anybody would be as easily offended. As for the Greek myths, the gods didn't really suffer consequences since fate was something that pretty much had to happen. The only time they suffered is if they pist off a being more powerful than them. Apollo was one time forced to serve a mortal for defying Zeus. Other times the gods had to put down rebellions from monsterous powers.
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> I would say no, because these gods never impressed me much, being so petty. Unfortunately they had the power to curse mortals and control our afterlife so if I disobeyed them or tried to tell them they were being evil, I;d get sent to Hades \:\(
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Hades actually wasn't a place of torment. It was more of a neutral realm. Thoughts of reward or punishment emerged later and even then you had to be especially good or bad to go to one of those realms.
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> > 5.    If G-d wanted you to die and told you it is for the good of Earth, but would not explain why would you do it?
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> Yes, assuming I could prove it was God and not schizophrenia \:\) God gave me life, He can take it as He pleases. Abraham and his son (peace be upon them) certainly thought so.
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Of course the question is knowing it is G-d and that you are not hearing voices.
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> > 6.    What if polytheistic god wanted you to die without explaining why and claimed it was for the good of Earth? Would you go ahead and die? What if they explained it to you? Would it depend on the god? (Ex. A more benevolent on such as Baldur or Athena)
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> Again, I would have more problems with this as they were quite fallible.
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Quite understandable. I would have problems with it for the most part as well though if this were true it would depend on the deity.



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