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atrimus

Location: Saint Louis, MO
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Subj: Re: I'm black.
Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 at 03:45:03 pm EDT (Viewed 691 times)
Reply Subj: When is a race issue not a race issue? A question for anyone, but I would like the opinions of some blacks
Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 at 01:50:13 pm EDT (Viewed 861 times)



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    Note: This post is in no way intended to be offensive, insulting, or in anyway cause hurt feelings any person regardless of place of origin, skin color, ethnicity, religion, gender, or anything else for that matter.



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    From time to time I find myself coming into debates with people over issues that that they claim are racist actions, but I honestly fail to see how. To me it seems they are stretching things way to far or seeing something where there is nothing. I admit racism is still a problem in our world in every country. I admit the media tends to be that sometimes both whites, blacks and people of other races. But sometimes people claim racism where I honestly fail to see any.



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    So, the following are various times over the years where from either watching the news or just debates I stumble on I have heard claims of racism. I would like the opinion of anyone interested to comment on them. I am not trying to be racist, but I would like the opinions of any blacks on the off chance that because I am not black I am missing something. (Anybody's opinion is welcome.) I know only a very few people might actually consider these issues, but I would like to know where they are coming from or if there really is just nothing there. One or two are racial issues I fail to fully understand and would like someone to please clarify for me.



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    1. The Peter Jackson King Kong movie, was Kong a representation of blacks being enamored with white women?


well, i personally saw no such subtext in the King Kong movie. still, i guess it depends on the director himself. Jackson's not a racists that i'm aware of, thus i don't believe there were any racists intentions to his iteration of the story. i'll need much more evidence to determine his intent, than some random person's opinion.

i'm FAR more open to a potential debate about the classic film being racist though, given the era in which it was made/released. not that i'm saying it was racist, just that i would be less inclined to dismiss the argument that it was.


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    2. African-American comedians use the n-word a dozen times in a singe sentence and are complained about some, but often it is let go. White may use the word once in an off hand comment and sometimes the public is not satisfied until they loose their jobs.


i personally hate the word, no matter who speaks it. but with me i usually take a moment to establish the speaker's intent. saying something like "Wass'up my n*gga" doesn't ring of any fashion of derogatory, versus, say "N*ggers make me sick" which is more close to the extreme of hate. one of my best friends (a black man) is married to a white woman. they use the word "n*gga" to each other plenty of times; i never take offense when i hear her say it, simply because i know her and i know it's purely vernacular with her.

on a whole, given the meaning and history of the word (and the history of racism in this country), i am inclined to question the word's usage if spoken by a white person quicker than i am if spoken by a black person.

conversely, i'm equally opposed to words such as "cr*acker" too.


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    3. The animated film "Ultimate Avengers 2," I read a debate where someone claimed that the fact white men (The Ultimates) were coming to help an African nation (Wakanda) was an insult, but if it was the other way around it would have been fine.


i'd say whoever said that is stretching it a bit. they're seeing race only, with no interest in the context of the story whatsoever.


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    4. Transformers 2: Revenge of the Fallen-I heard complaints that two of the Autobots (the twins) are supposedly caricatures of negative black sterotypes, but one of them was voiced by a black man Reno Wilson. Also, when I saw the movie in theaters and African-American family watching it laughed at the twins and did not seem to have any issues with them. (The theater was not crowded at this time and seeing the twins caused me to remember the news story).


strange enough, most blacks i know didn't have a problem with the twins. they were a bit annoying to me, but i still think the media kinda blew it a bit out of proportion. if anything they were caricatures of negative hip-hop culture, not blacks.


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    5. Brother Voodoo, the Marvel comics character, has recently become the new sorcerer supreme and is now known as "Doctor Voodoo"(he has an actual phd) and inherited the Eye of Agamotto and cloak of levitation. Someone on another board considers it a state of disrespect that Brother Voodoo changed his name and is using Dr. Stranges "hand me downs"(his words) despite the artifacts being among the most powerful known and while not officially part of the title sorcerer supreme, long associated with the position (Ancient One, Strange, Rintah, Krogurr, Loki). Is this a sign of disrespect to the character that he started calling himself doctor and has the items or is it just smoke?


another case of someone seeing racism where it isn't present.


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    Opinions?



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    Again, this post is not meant to offend anyone. I just do not understand where some of these claims are coming from and would like to know if people think there is actually anything to them.


well, racism still exists. there's really no question about it. it's prevelent too. on rare occasions it's pretty extreme (where it involves violence or injustices), but in most cases it's more of a nuance, and usually with no true intention on part of the perpetrator. it's hardly the only prejudice out there, and i'd say there are quite a few more than are more pressing (sexism, for instance).


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    thank you






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