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atrimus

Location: Saint Louis, MO
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mjyoung

Subj: Re: Is it racist to say Obama looks like a monkey?
Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 at 04:33:00 pm EDT (Viewed 862 times)
Reply Subj: Is it racist to say Obama looks like a monkey?
Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 at 02:28:47 pm EDT (Viewed 868 times)






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    Is it racist to say that Ben Stiller looks like a monkey? I think he does. I think looks like a sock monkey too.



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    I'm guessing the reasoning for me is that the both have round heads with big ears. Will Smith has big ears, but I perceive his head to be a more flatter up top. So he does not look like a monkey.



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    I also remember people saying that George W. Bush looked like a monkey, and there is a famous collection of images showing a parallel between his expressions and the expressions of monkey. So it's racist to make that comparison to a black person, but not racist to make that comparison to a white person?


i personally don't find either of the three above remarks racists. but i do have a question. if you're mindful of the fact that throughout a lot of America's racist past, blacks were derogatorily likened to monkeys, don't you think it would be prudent not to liken America's first black President to a monkey?


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      From time to time I find myself coming into debates with people over issues that that they claim are racist actions, but I honestly fail to see how. To me it seems they are stretching things way to far or seeing something where there is nothing. I admit racism is still a problem in our world in every country. I admit the media tends to be that sometimes both whites, blacks and people of other races. But sometimes people claim racism where I honestly fail to see any.



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    People are hypocrites. People like to play the victims. People are stupid. People are opportunistic.


and some people do have a point. it simply depends on the person, the claim, the intent and the overall situation. to generalize people who might actually have authentic claims just makes it seem like you're desensitized to the situation.


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    The simple truth is that people no longer adhere to the traditional standard of racism, a negative discrimination based on race. Now it simply means anything that is a negative discrimination of a racial minoritiy. For instance, when white firefighters in New England didn't get a job promotion because of their race, many said that wasn't racism. Yet it was.


i can't think of any case where anyone adhered to your former definition of discrimination, only because until recently, i can't recall any situation where discrimination was against the racial majority. discrimination has always been against racial minorities. that's probably why people find it hard to see racism against racial majorities in the nowadays.

certainly the firefighters incident was pure racism though. anyone who says otherwise is pretty much just blind.


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    Plus people don't really care about these types of examples.



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      1. The Peter Jackson King Kong movie, was Kong a representation of blacks being enamored with white women?



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    (http://necolebitchie.com/2008/03/21/is-this-cover-racist) There was a magazine cover of Lebron James in a King Kong pose with a white supermodel in his arm. People decried this as a racism. To be true racism, James's race would have been a factor. But it doesn't in the pose. If Lebron was white, the picture would still have happened.



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      2. African-American comedians use the n-word a dozen times in a singe sentence and are complained about some, but often it is let go. White may use the word once in an off hand comment and sometimes the public is not satisfied until they loose their jobs.



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    No one understands this one.



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      4. Transformers 2: Revenge of the Fallen-I heard complaints that two of the Autobots (the twins) are supposedly caricatures of negative black sterotypes, but one of them was voiced by a black man Reno Wilson. Also, when I saw the movie in theaters and African-American family watching it laughed at the twins and did not seem to have any issues with them. (The theater was not crowded at this time and seeing the twins caused me to remember the news story).



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    In actuality, the characters were parodies of youth culture, not specifically black youths. Or so the reasoning went.



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    Now if only someone would explain Spike Lee's "Do the Right Thing" to me.






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