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Location: Saint Louis, MO
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Subj: Re: Is it racist to say Obama looks like a monkey?
Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 at 07:58:36 pm EDT (Viewed 678 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Is it racist to say Obama looks like a monkey?
Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 at 07:57:30 pm EDT (Viewed 717 times)



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        i personally don't find either of the three above remarks racists. but i do have a question. if you're mindful of the fact that throughout a lot of America's racist past, blacks were derogatorily likened to monkeys, don't you think it would be prudent not to liken America's first black President to a monkey?

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        So you're asking me to be selective (aka discriminate) based on race? I'd rather just be color blind, and not let a person's race effect my decisions. Any joke I say in the presence of my white friends I will say in the presence of my black friends.



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    when i first clicked on the link i got a blank page, and didn't see what the article was about. now that i have, yes, i can see why blacks took offense to the toy. not that i'm saying the intention was a racists one, but still one that didn't take into consideration certain racial issues. had there been a history of whites or Jews being likened to monkeys (porch monkey, for instance) in a derogatory fashion, then yes, i would completely understand them getting upset at Bush-monkey or Stiller-monkey references.



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    also, manufacturing a toy you plan to distribute to the public (who, by the large, you don't know personally) is a bit different than a group of friends sitting around joking with each other.



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        and some people do have a point. it simply depends on the person, the claim, the intent and the overall situation. to generalize people who might actually have authentic claims just makes it seem like you're desensitized to the situation.

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        I never said that they all never had a point. People are smart. People are caring. People are all things.

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          I tend to put no real emphasis on race. Obama being elected as the "first black president" isn't historic to me, nor is the first hispanic Superme Court Justice. Or the first black coach to win a Superbowl. Etc.



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    yeah, i see what you're saying. it wasn't historic for me personally because like you i don't place emphasis on race; thus i took no personal satisfaction or felt no sense of "black-pride" (if you will) in Obama's election. however, i know there are plenty of people who do place emphasis on race; in that sense (and since this was a first occasion) i consider it historic for the nation as a whole.



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          The simple truth is that people no longer adhere to the traditional standard of racism, a negative discrimination based on race. Now it simply means anything that is a negative discrimination of a racial minoritiy. For instance, when white firefighters in New England didn't get a job promotion because of their race, many said that wasn't racism. Yet it was.

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          i can't think of any case where anyone adhered to your former definition of discrimination, only because until recently, i can't recall any situation where discrimination was against the racial majority. discrimination has always been against racial minorities. that's probably why people find it hard to see racism against racial majorities in the nowadays.

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        Depends on what you mean by recent. There were cases of reverse discrimination (aka discrimination against the racial majority) in the 70s. And considering that racial discrimination wasn't outlawed into the 1960s, that's pretty far back.



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    well, i'm not condoning anything; i'm just trying to offer explainations. for the record i'm against any type of racism or discrimination. those white firefighters you were talking about, had i been the type of person who grabs a pitchfork and torch and storms the town hall at the slightest perceived injustice, i would have done so on behalf of those firefighters. as it stands, you'll get no argument from me that that was discrimination.






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