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Subj: OT: Malarkey
Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 at 08:36:39 am EDT (Viewed 293 times)
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      Self-disclosure: I am a hardcore Libertarian, so I'm all for freedom of speech and freedom of expression. However, a lot of those comments don't seem to understand (Or overlook.) that OTHER people have free speech also, some of those other people being executives and studio presidents. Besides, if CNN HAS to keep her on just because she has free speech, that would be FORCING them to pay and associate with her. Now whether CNN, etc, SHOULD can Kathy is a different issue (I think that they should. If for no other reason than that she seems to be blaming other people.), but I'm still baffled that we have the same people come out and throw out "Free Speech" and the "First Amendment." whenever a celebrity gets in trouble for saying or doing something controversial. And the sad thing is that I think that the majority of people don't understand how free speech works either.

    That is true. Although the First Amendment is more about protection from government censorship. It extends into other areas but they can generally retaliate differently. I find the whole thing gets pretty merky and arbitrary at times. But I guess one has the right to the consequences their speech brings.

    Free speech is still ok if somebody says something offensive. Does not make what they say correct or ok though but legally they are allowed to say it. It is not a defense from accountability though. There are just limits on who can do that and they are not that strict.

    IMO, the biggest danger with free speech in current society has more to do with everybody thinking freedom of expression or speech meaning that every opinion is equally valid. That is outright wrong. One can say something but it does not give them equal weight in a dialogue. Some things may be more open but there are large numbers of people that think it is ok to believe whatever and ignore truths.

    And that to me is scarier than the other stuff.

"The right to free speech is not the right to be taken seriously."

So definitely agree a lot is said that is utter malarkey.

P.S. Malarky is a bird? I forget its origination. \:\)


      As for Bill Maher, I saw the clip of the segment/show, and he was clearly joking. So, people are really getting worked up over nothing. Still, it was not an appropriate word to use, and hopefully Maher will be more careful in the future. HBO will hopefully keep his show. If they do cancel him because of that (And it's a safe bet that they won't.), well, it is still their network. So, yes, it's being overblown, but that's just the kind of stuff that happens when you speak in public.

No one really knows where "malarkey" comes from, beyond the mind of 1920s cartoonist T A Doran. There is a similar Irish name, but no link is established.

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