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MysteryMan

Member Since: Fri Apr 28, 2017
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Trent Trueheart

Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
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Subj: Re: I will put this up here because the "Right" dont seem to post these as much as the "Left" here...
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 at 12:28:57 pm EDT (Viewed 157 times)
Reply Subj: Re: I will put this up here because the "Right" dont seem to post these as much as the "Left" here...
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 at 09:09:02 am EDT (Viewed 172 times)



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              First let me stress the RIGHT does plenty of crazy things (obstructions of justice), or those belonging to the Right (bombing planned parenthood, etc...). I only post this because no one else will.

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              "no one else will?" Seriously?

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            Yes no one else has. You prove my point. There is a "type" of post that would have been made here were some of these things done from the right...not so when the left does it.

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              I am sure there are a dozen terrible things we can bring up that Trump alone has done...and we see them and hes a douchbag for it and needs to be stopped. But your response really just proves my point.

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          Eh, I'm probably arguing semantics here, but there's a difference between "no one else will" and "no one else has." The Kathy Griffin thing has been brought up before, so to say that "no one else will" talk about it on this board is not true. Yes, no one brought up the shooting, but that doesn't mean that no one else would have. Personally, I think falling into the left/right trap with these events is probably a mistake.

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            Also, would it surprise you to know that one of the reasons I'm pro social justice issues around here is because sometimes no one else is?

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        The preponderance of this board is just that though. There are some that are not, but many more are than not just going by the sheer number of posts.

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                  What are people thoughts on the:

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                    1) Kathy Griffith thing?

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                  I think the people that complained about it helped get her more exposure than she's ever had and helped get more eyes on that photo then if there was no uproar. I think it's interesting that more people blame Griffin than the photographer, Tyler Shields. While I don't know for sure, it seems like he's the artist and she's just the subject.

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                She is on video making a statement that she knows what she is doing and asks him to take the photo. She is NOT the victim here.

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              I'm not saying she is the victim, but if you're going to blame someone, he's probably just a culpable, if not more so. I can't say I know much about Shields, but I have seen headlines about him having controversial photos in the past. My assumption is that it was his idea to put Kathy Griffin together with a decapitated Donald Trump. Sure she agreed to do it, but if it wasn't her idea, does she deserve all the blame?

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            He may have, I am just saying if you watch the video of it happening. SHE is the instigator SHE is the one saying lets do this, and SHE is the one playing the victim card over the next couple of days. It was HER idea.



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    I'm kind of confused by what you think this video is showing (not that I've seen it). Do you think they were just hanging out and she was all "hey, look what I found. Take my picture"? It was a photo shoot, right? Of course she has to be ready before she has her picture taken. If you start taking photos before she's ready, they're not going to be usable.


The video was her of working on a project. She then stops and starts talking to the photographer and says (paraphrasing) - "I have an idea lets do something that will get us into trouble...and proceeds to do what she has gotten into trouble for."


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            As for the photo itself, I'm rather indifferent.

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            And were you indifferent to the extremely insulting posters and similar things done to Obama? Is it art of the KKK makes a video of stringing up our former President? I for one would not be indifferent to that.

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          Well, one of the reasons I'm indifferent is because I don't think Kathy Griffin is relevant. Why should I care about what she does? If it was I liked or respected, I would probably have more of an opinion.

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        This doesn't make complete sense to me...if she was more popular you would care more?



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    I just think it's one of her many desperate attempts to get people to notice her. It worked. And that's why I don't care. People are giving her exactly what she wanted.


I suppose this kind of behavior just bothers me. Acting in a totally reprehensible way and then trying to play the victim card. In this case "I am a poor woman and everyone has picked on me my whole life". She is a grown women...she needs to take responsibility for her actions. This kind of fallback defense weakens all the hard work many women have done to gain any semblance equality.


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        I also think it's hard to compare racism to this.

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        Racism sexism 2 very similar "-isms" in that its basically one group being treated unfairly by another. And she is playing the sexism card strong in her press releases. The comments of fat old white man Trump...the fact they focus on his whiteness is racism, his age is age-ism, and his maleness as sexism. If the comments focused on his utter lack of ability to lead without these "-ism" terms I would agree with you. (I don't mean comments on this board I mean all over the media)



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    Calling him fat is sizeism. I don't know if focusing on his whiteness is racism. They're not saying he can't do the job because he's white. How many people tweeted "it's called the White House for a reason" after Obama won?


How can it not be? Otherwise they would have just said fat old man. They are pointing to his "whiteness" as a reason for his actions.


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              2) The Shooting of the republicans at the practice field

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              It's a false flag attack designed to take rights away from Bernie supporters and others on the left. It's not even a very convincing one. One of the actors they hired is fairly well known. Here's his IMDB page: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0874339 And those aren't fake credits either, I've seen him in Home Alone 2: Lost in New York. They can't fool me with something so sloppy.

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            You think its a staged shooting? Or you think its an attack on Bernie? That's a conspiracy theory indeed. Bernie himself condemned the act. And he is a wild case nut job that is not representative of Bernie supporter...I was a Bernie Supporter. But your indifference and calling it all a basically staged act is just what I was calling out from the beginning.

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          I want to be the left wing Alex Jones. Is that too much to ask? Or is there already a left wing Alex Jones? If there is, I would like to subscribe to his newsletter.

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        Sorry the reference means little to me. I don't know Alex Jones. He is irrelevant to me...had to google him. But if you want to be like him I am sorry to hear it. Far LEFT is just as horrible as far RIGHT.



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    Oh, he's very irrelevant, but I find some of his comments hilarious. They're also terrifying because people believe him.


Danger of the information age. Too many people can easily get their delusions out to others.


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          Let me give you a better example. The President tweeting out he is being investigated by the guy who told him to fire the FBI director...THAT is a false flag and lie number 8347 this week from Trump. Not people getting shot.

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                Does the Left need to calm down like our actor from Capt America (Chris Evans) movies has publically stated? Who was attacked from both sides for stating (paraphrasing) - "That Trump is our President makes me angry and sick to my stomach but people need to calm down and stop with all the hate."

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                Not yet. I mean, our president is someone who helped spread hate. I think a lot of people are disillusioned since the election and it's caused many of them to lash out. I say good. I just don't care anymore. I don't have kids, so I don't care about the future. The world could burn for all I care. And given who we elected, it probably will.

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              So fight hate with hate? Violence is the answer? Screw the future? Well I hope I don't see any complaints in the future from you about global climate change, sexism, racism, etc...because who cares right? Since you don't any argument you make is not clearly for the better good but for the burning of the world.

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          I don't think the problem is hate or violence. I think they're symptoms of a larger issue: lack of communication and understanding. I think the election of Trump makes a lot of people feel like they weren't heard. It's like Dr. King said "I think that we've got to see that a riot is the language of the unheard." I think there's a lot of issues that people aren't willing to talk about and don't really understand. I think some people are so focused on themselves that they don't care about others.

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        Truly? IMO Trump won because he actually DID make a lot of people feel like they were finally heard. Problem being he isn't going to help them.



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    That's really the issue, isn't it? Trump supporters not listening to people telling them the truth. I find that incredibly frustrating.


I agree with this, though I blame the media for saturating everyone with every little thing he does. They have become so tabloid-ish they hurt their own message when they actually have some good ones.


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      I would say a lot of those riots are just that. People who don't care about others and only themselves. Be it left or right. That doesn't give them the right to be violent imo.



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    I think most people have a naive view of riots. I'm sure you think it's something you'd never do, but under the right set of circumstances, most people probably would. When you're in a group, you can lose your sense of individuality and go along with everyone else. It's also important to understand that riots escalate. If I throw a rock out of frustration, other people will probably follow. Then eventually, one of those rocks are going to go through a store window and it will keep building from there. Riots are an emotional reaction and yet everyone tries to question the logic of it. We all understand being emotional enough to destroy something, but for some reason when it happens on such a large scale, we act confused.


Speaking as someone who HAS been there at the beginning of a riot I only partially agree (I saw it getting revved up and made my friends leave with me...was quite a sight on the tv after back in our dorm rooms). Yes one can fall into the "mob" mentality rather easily. That goes for anyone or any group. It's actually a good reason why Democracy fails at times. You have mob mentality affecting votes. But at the end of the day each and every person is responsible for their own actions.


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    I mean, I've seen enough movies and television to know that if someone gets angry enough, they might smash their phone. If you can relate to that, you should be able to relate to a riot. It's the same thing, just on a large scale.


I hope you dont base your facts on movie cinema. ;\)
But the only person I have ever seen throw and smash their phone was bi-polar, other than myself at 5 years old when I destroyed my favorite toy and realized how stupid I had been.


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        I think most of the time I go unheard. And so what's the point? Why should I share my opinion when no one cares? Why should I care when no one else does?

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        Why say anything at all then? I have seen many posters agree with you on issues on these boards. Hopefully you are not rioting yourself over this. Peaceful assembly I think is the way to go...also something the gracious Mr. King was strongly a believer of yes?



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    Believe me, most times I don't. There are many times I type out a response that I don't bother posting because I know it's pointless.


Well I at least for one am sorry you feel that way.


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