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Subj: Re: I will put this up here because the "Right" dont seem to post these as much as the "Left" here...
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 at 02:52:36 pm EDT (Viewed 215 times)
Reply Subj: Re: I will put this up here because the "Right" dont seem to post these as much as the "Left" here...
Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 at 07:16:50 pm EDT (Viewed 200 times)
Quote:I think the nobody would be for either of them.
Quote:That said, I think hypocracy is in play for many on the right at this point. As many calling for civility now were doing these things in terms of horrible gestures. Many were not shooting people up but there were examples of it. Just not congress people.
Quote:There also were not multiple instances of campus rioting over comedians acts and free speech. Many of those defending Griffith were telling the students how wonderful they were for not letting the right wing nut jobs have their speech. (I agree that the speakers they were referring to were nut jobs, not on preventing them from speaking)
It really depends on the argument you want to make though. What she did was protected by free speech at least in respect that it protects anything. That people were upset is also valid.
I am not supportive of what she did, but do not think it is Earth shattering or enough to stop criticism.
I am not sure I follow the right wing nut jobs sentence. What are you referring to?
Quote:Does not make what is done ok or what was done ok at all. I just think we need to be careful with blanket covering ideology. There are issues with some things on campuses in terms of the ideological left more than anything.
Quote:That's fair as well...though in my blanket I cover them both. BOTH sides are guilty of pointing fingers as they speak out of the side of their mouths. The "Right" have been doing it all through Obamas terms.
And sometimes it is valid though. My issue is the context that this sort of thing should restrict criticism. At least that is what I was taking your initial question for pondering as being.
The right had justified criticisms of Obama, the left has legit for Trump. It does not excuse the extremes on the sides.
Quote:On the right, I think the fact that there is a counter reality by the conservative media (that Trump seems to live his life by) is a huge problem.
Quote:I think anyone who looks at the news rationally can see there is an extreme left bias to it. They can also see that Trump just spouts lie after lie after lie and plays the victim card at every turn...despite being guilty of a good percentage of what he is accused of.
I disagree with you. I think there are a few organizations that are left leaning, but there are more than are left leaning or what I would call sensationalized.
Also, the right wing media is basically hate news as far as I can tell. There is not really a left equivalent to that. Maybe MSNBC but that is more a counter of sorts to Fox, but even then not a good one.
I am just not sure I establish ideology based on treatment of Trump or anything. As the media should hold him accountable. They sometimes do better or worse jobs about varying topics, but most media tries to bend over backwards to account for whatever percieved left leanings they have.
CNN for instance has hired a handful of Trump apologists that will support him to the end to show that they are not left leaning. And that does nothing to help anyone either.
Quote:The president deserves all the criticism that he has gotten to this point. Does not mean that some people will not do things they should not. It always will, but I see no reason people should not be free of critiquing the president.
Quote:Oh by all means. He has much to be called out for...I prefer not to hear about how he gestures, the 1000th joke about tiny hands or eats 2 scoops of ice cream etc...its just petty attacks. But hold his feet to the fire...he has much to answer for I agree.
I am not really talking about those. I actually do not have issues with many saying those things, but rather the media not get involved with those.
It is a bit hard for those criticisms to not come up from more "normal" folks. Given how petty the president is. He seems to have derogatory terms for quite a number of his critics. Whic hsi not ok for the president.
Quote:If anything, it is a bit disturbing to me that Trump is not held more to task for the staggering numbers of outright lies and half truths he and his administration tell that warrant the harsh criticisms in the first place.
Quote:He does seem to be pathological in his lying...either that or hes extremely talented at manipulating things on a unheard of level with his chaos.
I think it is the former. I think the later is incidental for the most part. The misdirection thing is sometimes a good idea but he seems too egotistical by most accounts to be able to stay even remotely above things.
He is much too personally invested. That is the cause of many of his issues. I do not think he can stop tweeting to save his life.
Quote:Also, you are incorrect, the Gifford thing is discussed a few threads down. I am not sure why you think the political right has to be championed here. Neither ideology is inherently right or wrong.
Quote:Agree...but go ahead count up the posts. There is a clear bias. Both sides are guilty of trying to not take the blame for their own actions. I'll give you the "Right" is doing this at a higher rate...but at some point you just have to hold them BOTH accountable.
I am not sure the posts of this board reflect too much IMO. I mean it is fair to discuss the issues.
I do take some issue with intense politicization of issues like this. Hypocritically, many of these individuals resisted all manner of things for any discussion after other major gun attacks. But when it is a congress person of a given party than one side is uber interested.
I imagine that liberals would be bad too, I am just seeing an intense level of hypocrisy with this. And part of it is extreme polarization by the president. Seems there is nothing he will not try and make sure there are lines between and people on sides. Good way to keep your base happy, but most people do not like that sort of thing.
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