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bd2999

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MysteryMan

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Subj: Re: I will put this up here because the "Right" dont seem to post these as much as the "Left" here...
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 at 02:58:08 pm EDT (Viewed 129 times)
Reply Subj: Re: I will put this up here because the "Right" dont seem to post these as much as the "Left" here...
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 at 07:22:41 am EDT (Viewed 133 times)



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            First let me stress the RIGHT does plenty of crazy things (obstructions of justice), or those belonging to the Right (bombing planned parenthood, etc...). I only post this because no one else will.

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            "no one else will?" Seriously?

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          Yes no one else has. You prove my point. There is a "type" of post that would have been made here were some of these things done from the right...not so when the left does it.

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            I am sure there are a dozen terrible things we can bring up that Trump alone has done...and we see them and hes a douchbag for it and needs to be stopped. But your response really just proves my point.

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        Eh, I'm probably arguing semantics here, but there's a difference between "no one else will" and "no one else has." The Kathy Griffin thing has been brought up before, so to say that "no one else will" talk about it on this board is not true. Yes, no one brought up the shooting, but that doesn't mean that no one else would have. Personally, I think falling into the left/right trap with these events is probably a mistake.

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          Also, would it surprise you to know that one of the reasons I'm pro social justice issues around here is because sometimes no one else is?



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    The preponderance of this board is just that though. There are some that are not, but many more are than not just going by the sheer number of posts.



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            What are people thoughts on the:

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              1) Kathy Griffith thing?

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            I think the people that complained about it helped get her more exposure than she's ever had and helped get more eyes on that photo then if there was no uproar. I think it's interesting that more people blame Griffin than the photographer, Tyler Shields. While I don't know for sure, it seems like he's the artist and she's just the subject.

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          She is on video making a statement that she knows what she is doing and asks him to take the photo. She is NOT the victim here.

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        I'm not saying she is the victim, but if you're going to blame someone, he's probably just a culpable, if not more so. I can't say I know much about Shields, but I have seen headlines about him having controversial photos in the past. My assumption is that it was his idea to put Kathy Griffin together with a decapitated Donald Trump. Sure she agreed to do it, but if it wasn't her idea, does she deserve all the blame?



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    He may have, I am just saying if you watch the video of it happening. SHE is the instigator SHE is the one saying lets do this, and SHE is the one playing the victim card over the next couple of days. It was HER idea.



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          As for the photo itself, I'm rather indifferent.

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          And were you indifferent to the extremely insulting posters and similar things done to Obama? Is it art of the KKK makes a video of stringing up our former President? I for one would not be indifferent to that.

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        Well, one of the reasons I'm indifferent is because I don't think Kathy Griffin is relevant. Why should I care about what she does? If it was I liked or respected, I would probably have more of an opinion.



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    This doesn't make complete sense to me...if she was more popular you would care more?



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      I also think it's hard to compare racism to this.



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    Racism sexism 2 very similar "-isms" in that its basically one group being treated unfairly by another. And she is playing the sexism card strong in her press releases. The comments of fat old white man Trump...the fact they focus on his whiteness is racism, his age is age-ism, and his maleness as sexism. If the comments focused on his utter lack of ability to lead without these "-ism" terms I would agree with you. (I don't mean comments on this board I mean all over the media)



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            2) The Shooting of the republicans at the practice field

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            It's a false flag attack designed to take rights away from Bernie supporters and others on the left. It's not even a very convincing one. One of the actors they hired is fairly well known. Here's his IMDB page: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0874339 And those aren't fake credits either, I've seen him in Home Alone 2: Lost in New York. They can't fool me with something so sloppy.

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          You think its a staged shooting? Or you think its an attack on Bernie? That's a conspiracy theory indeed. Bernie himself condemned the act. And he is a wild case nut job that is not representative of Bernie supporter...I was a Bernie Supporter. But your indifference and calling it all a basically staged act is just what I was calling out from the beginning.

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        I want to be the left wing Alex Jones. Is that too much to ask? Or is there already a left wing Alex Jones? If there is, I would like to subscribe to his newsletter.



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    Sorry the reference means little to me. I don't know Alex Jones. He is irrelevant to me...had to google him. But if you want to be like him I am sorry to hear it. Far LEFT is just as horrible as far RIGHT.


Not sure you looked much at him though. There is no single person like that on the left that I know about. Does not mean there is not but Jones has a bigger audience than he should.

He is a conspiracy theorist. Among the greatest recent hits are that Sandy Hook shooting was all staged. His listeners regularly torment and harass the parents of dead children. Telling them they are actors, their kids were never alive and so on.

He is pretty extreme right wing or whatever it is. It is something else at that level. It is not decent. Said thing, he is not alone. There are numerous similar sites, he is just the big daddy of it.

There may be something similar on the left but if there is I am not aware of it. I think one of the dangers in general is that aspects of the far right have taken hold in the US conservative party. And I am not sure if it is as even overall as being made out.

At least politically, just look at the healthcare debates and how the parties conducted themselves as sort of an example of that. The ACA and the current one.


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        Let me give you a better example. The President tweeting out he is being investigated by the guy who told him to fire the FBI director...THAT is a false flag and lie number 8347 this week from Trump. Not people getting shot.

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              Does the Left need to calm down like our actor from Capt America (Chris Evans) movies has publically stated? Who was attacked from both sides for stating (paraphrasing) - "That Trump is our President makes me angry and sick to my stomach but people need to calm down and stop with all the hate."

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              Not yet. I mean, our president is someone who helped spread hate. I think a lot of people are disillusioned since the election and it's caused many of them to lash out. I say good. I just don't care anymore. I don't have kids, so I don't care about the future. The world could burn for all I care. And given who we elected, it probably will.

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            So fight hate with hate? Violence is the answer? Screw the future? Well I hope I don't see any complaints in the future from you about global climate change, sexism, racism, etc...because who cares right? Since you don't any argument you make is not clearly for the better good but for the burning of the world.

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        I don't think the problem is hate or violence. I think they're symptoms of a larger issue: lack of communication and understanding. I think the election of Trump makes a lot of people feel like they weren't heard. It's like Dr. King said "I think that we've got to see that a riot is the language of the unheard." I think there's a lot of issues that people aren't willing to talk about and don't really understand. I think some people are so focused on themselves that they don't care about others.



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    Truly? IMO Trump won because he actually DID make a lot of people feel like they were finally heard. Problem being he isn't going to help them.
    I would say a lot of those riots are just that. People who don't care about others and only themselves. Be it left or right. That doesn't give them the right to be violent imo.



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      I think most of the time I go unheard. And so what's the point? Why should I share my opinion when no one cares? Why should I care when no one else does?



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    Why say anything at all then? I have seen many posters agree with you on issues on these boards. Hopefully you are not rioting yourself over this. Peaceful assembly I think is the way to go...also something the gracious Mr. King was strongly a believer of yes?







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