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Subj: Re: Regarding that mess in Virginia
Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 at 03:08:11 pm EDT (Viewed 932 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Regarding that mess in Virginia
Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 at 02:00:52 pm EDT (Viewed 877 times)
Quote:So...being surrounded by armed individuals with torches and starting the beating is a both sides do it situation?
Not at all. I was responding to a comment you made above but did it in the wrong post. Apologies.
"I am not sure what you are going on about there. Counter protesting white supremacists groups is now radical left? I missed the part where the counter protests killed anybody. Or surrounded those against them with torches and guns. "
My point was that there were militant leftist groups there also. I generally stay out of politics, but I've read your posts on the numerous boards and respect your opinion. If you say Antifa wasn't there I'll accept it and leave the conversation.
Quote:By almost all accounts, outside of Trump's and some fairly conservative ones, the violence seems to have overwhelming come from the white supremacists. And it is not hard to find that in interviews either, many were looking to hurt more people and bragging about it.
According to the Virginia State Police, aside from Fields driving the car into the crowd, no one else went to the hospital and there was no property damage.
Quote:Violence is never good, but I feel that by saying everybody in this instance is equally bad is ignoring most news stories of the event and dignifying what the Neo-Nazi and similar groups were doing. I mean there were more of them and they were heavily armed but the other side swang back too.
Quote:I do not see a direct connection to the guy that shot the House Rep. It was deplorable too but was not part of an organized movement of violence and hate. He appeared to be a sick and twisted man but that was most of it.
Fields was part of an organized hate movement but he was still a lone individual. It wasn't a planned attack. He wasn't even charged with first-degree murder. I feel dirty. Honestly, I'm not defending Nazis.
Quote:That there is now a debate to sort of dignify what happened with the both side thing in this instance seems a bit insulting to what the US should stand for.
Quote:That there are extreme liberal views or those that take them too far is true, but that is not really at the heart of this discussion at the moment or make it ok either. As a country we are also afraid to talk about far right domestic terrorism as well.
Quote:I think the most disturbing thing is how the president has handled this. Calling out both sides and waiting ages to do it. He has no problem calling out immigrants or Muslims for things that an individual did or in some cases outright falsehoods but will not condemn anything done by those that even extensively fall under the same umbrella.
Quote:That should scare everyone. And that some support what he is saying is scary.
I've become jaded to the criticisms of Trump. I don't think he handled this well, but I also believe that people overblow everything with regard to him.
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