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JesusFan

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Ancient One

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Subj: Re: A response to Jesusfan.
Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 at 07:01:58 pm EDT (Viewed 96 times)
Reply Subj: Re: A response to Jesusfan.
Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 at 04:56:45 pm EDT (Viewed 95 times)

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    The 4 Gospels were all wriiten by those who were either ewyewitness to the time and life of Jesus, or has access to direct eyewitnesses...


They were written anonymously. There were no names on the original manuscripts, nor on any of the earliest copies. The authors themselves don't tell us who they are. It's all guesswork on the part of the early church.


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    Jesus held to Himself as being sent here on a divine mission from God, and more than that, identified Himself as being the very God the the Jewish people, as the One whop spoke to Abraham/moses...



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    Muhammad claimed to be a prophet of Allah, but jesus claimed to be that very God...


Mohammed also claimed that Jesus wasn't divine. So what? Claims are EASY to make. Proving them is much harder.


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    ALL it took was someone to produce the still dead body of Jesus, and there goes Christianity down the drain...


Do we have the bodies of Mary? Joseph? Any of Jesus' brothers and sisters? His grandparents? We don't have ANY of those bodies, and they weren't all physically resurrected.

The lack of Jesus' body is quite trivial. If the gospels are true, his body doesn't exist on Earth anymore. If they're false, then his body is lying in a mass, unmarked grave and is impossible to identify. Even DNA couldn't help unless we could verify that we have DNA from other members of his family to compare it with.

But archaeologists have uncovered some of these graves. We may already have Jesus' bones. There's no way of telling.


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    You think NONE had access to that body if was still deak in the tomb?


Once again, it's incredibly unlikely that his body was ever placed in a tomb. It just didn't happen (Victims being taken from the cross and returned to their families).


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    And that person that you mentioned, there was NO eyewitness confirmation of any of his miracles, nor ANY actual historical evidnce to back any of his stories up, unlike Jesus, who was attested too by the Jewish leaders as being a miracle worker, who claimed to be Messiah, and his own followers, and Roamn historians who could care less about Him and Christianity, but who attested to jesus being a person held to be the Messiah and as a "god" from the very stat of Christianity.


Oh yes, there most certainly was.

His followers claimed to have witnessed these miracles. His life was recorded primarily by Philostratus, but also by others such as Cassius Dio mention him and reference his miracles. He's mentioned in Islamic texts. Early Christians met with and argued with followers of Appolonius over who was the true son of god.

There's basically exactly the same kind of evidence for Appolonius as there is for Jesus: Anecdotal evidence, and argument from authority. None of which is very credible.


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    The followers of Jesus were strict believers in One God, as the Muslims are, can you imagine what event it would take to have them all affirm that this man was alkso God?


Yes, of course I can imagine. The credulous will believe anything on poor or no evidence. If you already believe in sky fairies, it's not much of a leap to believe in a half-human sky fairy.


The basic problem here is that there is indeed historical proofs for Jesus , and for Christianity, but its not a lack of facts, its a lack of faith!