Dave Galanter
December 1st 1969 - December 12th 2020
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Subj: Re: A response to Jesusfan.
Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 at 04:09:26 pm EDT (Viewed 840 times)
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      I find that some things one has to take more on faith myself.

    The only part of everything you've said that I disagree with. Faith is far and away one of the least reliable paths to truth and knowledge that was ever invented.

I did not make it as a claim of knowledge really. More for spirituality. Which I admit is illogical. I usually flip between agnostic or Christian but the version of Christianity I would follow is different than most views I know of. So, a heretic either way.

    You can test it yourself in two minutes flat, just using religion.

    Assuming Christianity is the one true religion, Christians get to their position primarily on faith. So far so good. faith has a 100% success rate.

    But what about Islam? Moslems get to their position primarily on faith too. And if Christianity is right, then they MUST be wrong.

    Now faith isn't doing too well. It's success rate is down to only 50%. And we've only plugged in one other religion. But there have been thousands of religions over the millennia. If Christianity is the only correct one, then all the others are wrong, and the success rate of faith falls to a fraction of one per cent. So it's very, very unreliable as a method of deciding what's true.

    And that's going on the assumption that Christianity is true. If it isn't, then faith falls to a 0% success rate.

    So how do we determine whether Christianity is true? How do we determine whether the Christian's faith is justified?

    We certainly can't use faith to do it. We need other methods. Proper, scientific methods.

I sort of laid out above my sort of thoughts on this, start of the post.

I mean the fact that there are so many offshoots and views of the Bible alone makes it worthy of skepticism. And I dislike that folks use religion to oppress other people.

That said, I do go back and forth with it in my own mind. Usually it does not come up much. As I am opposed to religion having much sway in really any public sphere and more importantly academic sphere. To me spirituality is an intensely personal matter. For that matter, for some spirituality may have nothing to do with spirit but simply establishing their own guiding philosophy. I am cool with that. To each their own. Whatever one wants to call it is fine by me.

Christianity all holds up is falls down based upon the person of jesus Christ!

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