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Subj: Re: Regarding that mess in Virginia
Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 at 06:34:24 pm EDT (Viewed 1031 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Regarding that mess in Virginia
Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2017 at 02:18:46 pm EDT (Viewed 1060 times)
Quote:I am not sure what you are going on about there. Counter protesting white supremacists groups is now radical left? I missed the part where the counter protests killed anybody. Or surrounded those against them with torches and guns.
Look at the picture of armed Antifa members in the NY Times story below.
Quote:The president has claimed there was a radical left fraction there in order to make it a both sides do it situation. I am sure there were tussels. But not sure how this can be made out to be anything but horror at what a fair number of white supremacists did.
Quote:I have only heard Trump and his defenders in the media make any claims like that.
Then you have not been paying attention.
The fact that one hateful person one side proved to be more deadly does not change the fact that both sides were violent. The Antifa group showed up with helmets, clubs and other weapons. Both sides were spoiling for a fight, and they got what they wanted. Antifa are in many cases violence junkies. Violence for many of them is the preferred method of enacting change. Before the outrage against Trump, this was an accepted fact.
See here from the AP:
And here from the NY Times:
Neither article is from what anyone could consider a right-wing source, yet both frame the two groups similar to Trump.
The AP story says "Adversaries fought", and they "beat each other with clubs". There is no weight of blame placed on the pro-nazi group. Similarly the Times story places no weight of blame on the pro-nazi group. And they recognize the frequent violence of Antifa.
Members of Antifa have assaulted journalists. Such as this one from a local CBS station who was sent to the hospital and needed stitches in his head:
CNN's Jake Tapper's twitter feed also notes multiple "unprovoked assaults on journalists doing their jobs -- by those marching *against* the hateful racists".
That Antifa is very violent is a fact. That there was violence on both sides is a fact.
The nazi morons are horrible, ugly, disgusting people. We can agree on that. But when they have a permit to gather and speak, then they need to be allowed to do so. Counter groups are certainly also allowed, but violence on either side is wrong. When a counter group showed up in helmets, with guns, and clubs, and bottles of urine to throw at people, that's a problem. And when violence does break out, yes, if both sides come armed and looking for violence, then both sides are to blame for the general violence.
Blame for the death of that poor woman is on the man driving the car.
It would have been such a preferable situation if the ignorant nazi group were mocked or ignored, instead of confronted violently. They love this attention. I never heard the name Richard Spencer until he was punched on the street. Now he's become a hero to these hate-filled ugly people. We would have been better off if he had not been assaulted on film.
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