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Subj: Re: Regarding Confederate flags and statues
Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 at 08:48:26 am EDT (Viewed 83 times)
Reply Subj: Regarding Confederate flags and statues
Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 at 02:03:58 pm EDT (Viewed 127 times)



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    Forgive me, I'm not super educated on this topic, I'm just curious what others' thoughts are. This came up last year, I think, when they removed the Confederate flags from some of the government buildings in the south, and now again with the tearing down of the statues.



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    On the one hand, the Confederacy was at best a foreign nation and at worst a militia fighting against the Union. Either way, is it appropriate to have their flag or their leaders represented on an official government building of the United States? I would think that sort of stuff would more properly belong in a museum. I don't think we should erase this stuff from history, but even if you believe the flag represents Southern pride and family values, should it be on a government building? I don't think so.


I would agree with that. It is strange to celebrate an entity whose goal was to end the U.S. as an entity. That was their only real contribution.

Now the flag we normally see for the Confederacy is not the flag per se but it has taken up that as a symbol. So it is pretty much the same thing.


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    Then there's this more pointed argument that the statues were not erected to honor the Confederacy but simply to scare blacks. Is it right?



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    http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/08/the-real-story-of-all-those-confederate-statues/


It is a mixed bag. At least as far as I can tell from my limited look into things.

Most of the statues were built a far ways from the CW itself. Typically in the 1880's through WW1 and continuing through what we consider the civil rights era. Although most were in the earlier area.

Most of the statues were pushed for by son's and daughters of CW soldiers that were dying off to remember them etc. The danger was that it allowed the South as a whole to idealize the CW and what the South was. That it was a better time etc. Keep in mind, that through reconstruction the Southern states did not economically do too well. So, it was in a way allowing them to brainwash themselves and could have helped build into the continuing segregation sorts of things.

Now, another point was to sort of remind minorities, mainly blacks at the time, that white's were in control. One could argue not every case, but the general opinions of scholars I have seen give an opinion that it is pretty clear that this was the case. It was one of the meanings.

They are historic, that period did happen, but the things of note are that the argument that getting rid of these is white washing history is a lie. At least in my view. Removing a statue celebrating what the confederacy stood for is not bad at all. There are many books and it is taught to everybody.

The whole mess sort of started when there were half butted efforts to teach the causes of the CW initially. After the CW the idea of slavery was allowed to be downplayed a fair bit until much later. At that point it was already part of the culture. Not slavery but the way the South and Confederacy were remembered. Making it easier to just march on the way it is.

That said, getting rid of the statues is not a way to stop hate, but it is a way of at least helping the situation. At least in my view. Given that the only argument I have seen to keep the things is that they are historical. However, the same people seem to happily ignore more recent or older tragedies that happened to subjugated individuals but did not make statues etc.

Guess it is selective history.




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