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zvelf

Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
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MysteryMan

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Subj: Re: Regarding that mess in Virginia
Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 at 05:52:34 pm EDT (Viewed 71 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Regarding that mess in Virginia
Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 at 01:06:38 pm EDT (Viewed 76 times)



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      I do question it when you equate the group that killed someone with the group that did not to be on the same moral footing, when you equate the group that promotes racism and the group that protests against that racism to be on the same moral footing. That is wacked moral reasoning.



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    1-person killed people...not either HATE group.


So you're another moral equivocator. First, antifa is not a hate group unless you think hating neo-Nazis means you belong to a hate group. Second, did you even see/hear what the neo-Nazis/white supremacists at the rally were saying about the violence they would be happy to perpetrate? They promote violence so it's no surprise when one of their number engages in violence that kills somebody.


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    If and when Antifa kill or cause someone to be killed, I am sure they all wont be blamed for it. Just the specific person right?


Sure, the movement will get SOME blame. Prosecution under the law will only apply to that one person, but law and morality are not the same thing. I've already condemned antifa's methods on more than one occasion in this thread. If someone in antifa kills someone, then of course that someone gets primary blame, but insofar as antifa tolerates or promotes violence, they will be enabling that someone and should be admonished for it. Hell, Trump has promoted violence in some of his speeches. That is morally reprehensible.


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    All Hate groups are garbage people.


So you hate hate groups. Does that mean you belong to a hate group now too?


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    And when one of them goes too far they will face justice.


This was never a question about justice. No one's debating whether anyone who breaks the law deserves justice. The question here is whether both sides share EQUAL moral blame. The one murderer clearly belonged to one side. Yes, violence is bad, but is violence against racism every bit as bad as violence in support of racism? If you think so, then you implicitly think being for and against racism is morally equal, and thus, I question your moral character. Let's put it another way, is violence fighting Hitler's Germany in WWII every bit as bad as violence in support of Hitler's Germany in WWII?