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MysteryMan

Member Since: Fri Apr 28, 2017
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zvelf

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Subj: Re: Regarding that mess in Virginia
Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2017 at 01:15:34 pm EDT (Viewed 76 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Regarding that mess in Virginia
Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2017 at 10:40:31 am EDT (Viewed 70 times)



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        So you're another moral equivocator. First, antifa is not a hate group unless you think hating neo-Nazis means you belong to a hate group. Second, did you even see/hear what the neo-Nazis/white supremacists at the rally were saying about the violence they would be happy to perpetrate? They promote violence so it's no surprise when one of their number engages in violence that kills somebody.

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        Well I see you made no attempt made at civil discourse, not suprising. Didn't realize you were an antifa member. antifa may call itself a group that hates neo-nazis, but throwing Molotov cocktails and presidential inaugurations doesn't fit that description. But equivocate all YOU like



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    Obviously I am not a member of antifa since I outright condemned their tactics. And what am I equivocating antifa to? Certainly not the neo-Nazis like you are. As for being civil, I just stated what you were doing, that is being a moral equivocator. If you're not, please clarify which group you think is worse.


No you stated what your outraged SJW-activism perceived.
You are minimizing their actions by comparing them to another radical group with a longer history of heinous acts. I am simply calling them what they both are. I suppose you are content to simply wait until they catch up then?


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          If and when Antifa kill or cause someone to be killed, I am sure they all wont be blamed for it. Just the specific person right?

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          Sure, the movement will get SOME blame. Prosecution under the law will only apply to that one person, but law and morality are not the same thing. I've already condemned antifa's methods on more than one occasion in this thread. If someone in antifa kills someone, then of course that someone gets primary blame, but insofar as antifa tolerates or promotes violence, they will be enabling that someone and should be admonished for it. Hell, Trump has promoted violence in some of his speeches. That is morally reprehensible.

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          I am sure you will do your best to minimize the blame they receive in your own mind, since you are defending them here.



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    So you interpreted what I just wrote as the exact opposite of what I wrote? Wow.


Not in the least.


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      No one is defending Trumps moronic statements about violence he made during his election run.



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    Huh? I was pointing out that Trump's statements about violence was an implicit promotion of such violence and that insofar that antifa does the same thing, they should also be condemned.


Antifa does NOT imply. They STATE. There is more than a subtle difference. Because something that someone PERCEIVES is an implication. A statement leaves no such wiggle room.


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          All Hate groups are garbage people.

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          So you hate hate groups. Does that mean you belong to a hate group now too?

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        I suppose English isn't your first language? Here is an educational link...

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          https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/garbage

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            https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hate



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    Usually calling someone garbage implies you hate them.


Perhaps for you. But that's YOUR perceptions again, that you like to treat as fact. Disdain for, despair over how humans behave, a descriptor of human morality attributed to said group...all quite as likely feelings behind such a statement. But that wouldn't work for your insulting pithy attempt at a reply now would it?

Rather than talk the comments...you attributed your own perceived notions about my character and mixed them into your arguments.


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        This was never a question about justice. No one's debating whether anyone who breaks the law deserves justice. The question here is whether both sides share EQUAL moral blame. The one murderer clearly belonged to one side. Yes, violence is bad, but is violence against racism every bit as bad as violence in support of racism? If you think so, then you implicitly think being for and against racism is morally equal, and thus, I question your moral character. Let's put it another way, is violence fighting Hitler's Germany in WWII every bit as bad as violence in support of Hitler's Germany in WWII?

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        antifa is not violence against racism...its violence for anarchy. Anarchy is NOT a good thing. Tat is what antifa is truly supporting. Yes lets bring back the Dark Ages why don't we?



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    This is entering bizarro world in your attempts at justification. According to you, antifa is marching against white supremacists, not because they are marching against racism but for anarchy? Obviously you didn't read the signs antifa was holding up explicitly against racism at the rally. Also antifa is not some formal unified group with a single philosophy aside from one thing, and that is what they are against, not what they are for. IT'S IN THEIR NAME: antifa = anti-facist. There may be anarchists among them, but the group as a whole does not identify with anarchy. So you're wrong.


Well at least a comic book insult this time.
Obviously you didn't hear the words of hate they were shouting, words of murder or paid attention to the Molotov cocktails they are known to toss about at crowded gatherings.
They can claim to be anti-facist all they like...doesn't mean their actions show them to be anything but anarchists acting like facists by their own actions.

I know as a card carrying member of the SJW's you can't admit to ever being wrong in a social belief that you have. So I forgive you for being wrong.


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      I am not comparing them...I am calling them both what they are HATE groups. That you defend your fellow antifa members is not surprising though.



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    You do get emotional. Again, I don't like antifa's methods. My point is that they are less morally blameworthy than the neo-Nazis/white supremacists and it's wrong to morally equivocate between the two as Trump has done and as you are doing here. As I stated, violence is bad, but is violence against racism every bit as bad as violence in support of racism? Is violence fighting Hitler's Germany in WWII every bit as bad as violence in support of Hitler's Germany in WWII? Please answer my question. If you can't, then I rest my case.


Ahhh....another attempt to be-little someone's character before making your statement. Trade-mark extremist behavior at work. You don't deviate from your fanaticism I will give you that.

Your questions based on the powers of hindsight are amazing. I dub thee Captain Hindsight! Yes...Hitler's violence was worse...the 3rd worst in recorded human history.

I will answer your question with another...it's the start of the Russian Revolution leading to Stalin's rise to power. The violence in support of the current regime (not good) or violence in support of its overthrow (what we ended up with), which lead to Stains rise to power and his becoming an even greater mass murder than Hitler. Which is worse?

Or lets go to the #1 mass murderer in the world Mao-tse tung? Same questions.

antifa is not fighting for any higher purpose. They are a group fueled not by an attempt to improve the human condition, but to release their own violence and hatred. They can claim to do so all they like...but their actions show anything but this.

The KKK, Nazi's and all their ilk are vile hatemongers and have no place in any sane reasonable society. antifa have no place as well. But fee free to continue justifying their actions how ever backhandedly you try by saying....well Nazi's are worse. Wow...that's a great defense comparison...Nazi's are worse.