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bd2999

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MysteryMan

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Subj: Re: So far 300,000+ signatures requesting that antifa be called a terrorist group by The White House
Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 at 10:26:45 am EDT (Viewed 158 times)
Reply Subj: Re: So far 300,000+ signatures requesting that antifa be called a terrorist group by The White House
Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 at 09:09:20 am EDT (Viewed 151 times)



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        They are definitely controversial...is this a reasonable request?

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        I am not an expert on them but the definition of terrorism is performing some criminal (usually violence) to enact political change or aims.

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          By that definition they are not. At least not that I know about. Keep in mind that many Hate Groups in the US perform acts of terrorism but are never labeled terrorist.

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            They are not a very collected group either, usually responding and showing up to white supremacists rallies and similar. So, are they trying to enact political change but beating on would be fascists? Is that enough to be a Hate crime?

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              Does not defend the violence at all, but they are not terrorists. At least not unless we want to start calling numerous groups terrorists. And can they be labeled a hate group if they are going after a belief as opposed to going after people for intrinsic qualities?

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                Criminal may be true in many or some cases. Terrorist is way too far. At least based on what we have so far unless we want to start calling loads of other groups terrorist.

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                  It would be ironic that the "both sides" do it labels one side as a terrorist but the side causing and filled with the organized anger and hatred gets let go. It would be fitting in sick ways.



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    I can agree with this, was kind of my view as well.



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    They are a Hate group.
    Neo-Nazi's are a Hate group.



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    Neither of them are terrorists...at least at this point.


I am not sure I agree that they are a HAte Group. At least not by definition. As they would be a hate group for fascists. The definition of hate groups does not include thoughts, opinions and such.

It is about intrinsic qualities (religion is also in there). Hating somebody for their opinions does not make them a hate group. Unless we want to start labeling most people as members of a hate group.

Most people hate Nazi's and some other things. By that train of logic they would be part of a large world wide hate group.

Does not mean that the violence part is ok, but I do not think hate group or terrorist is appropriate for the movement. Criminal at times, but not sure what label to put on them. I think one could potentially question their views of things and what their definitions are.

One would have to try and make the claim that they were after white supremacists for them being white or something similar to that for them to be a hate group per se.




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