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Subj: Re: So far 300,000+ signatures requesting that antifa be called a terrorist group by The White House (edited)
Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 at 05:10:05 pm EDT (Viewed 418 times)
Reply Subj: Re: So far 300,000+ signatures requesting that antifa be called a terrorist group by The White House (edited)
Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 at 04:42:15 am EDT (Viewed 386 times)
Quote:To answer your question, Black Pride as a culture began as a direct response to predominant white supremacy, to sentiments of black inferiority, and to separate but equal doctrine. In short, we did not segregate ourselves.
Quote:There's your answer right there. People are promoting their culture precisely because their culture has been held back; it has nothing to do with thinking our way is better or right. Some of us realize this. I'm straight as straight can get, but I applaud Gay Pride in part because of all the contempt it's forced to endure.
Quote:I second both of these statements, emphatically.
Quote:That may be what the terms mean. But just the words taken exactly as they are meant.
That is taking them totally out of historical context though. As the experiences of the different groups are not that comparable.
Quote:The difference is ONLY White and Black. If it has become something else in daily use then ok. But just taken as they are...should be seen as essentially the same thing. Pride for White or Black.
Only if one ignores history and assume that the past has no barring on current attitudes or judgements. And that the use itself is not important or who is saying it.
As few white's have much issue with somebody of Irish or German decent celebrating their heritage. Many more have issue with African American's doing it.
Quote:I find it somewhat telling that there seems to be an issue when someone asks me what I am and I say an American/US Citizen. But others are Fill in the blank-American.
I think this still ignores a fair bit of history though. Why do those groups feel the particular need? What was the oppressive group in the matter?
It does not mean that all white people are evil but it is impossible to argue that White people of European descent did good and bad things in the past. Particularly to their fellow man. In particular, trying to destroy their heritage. Native American's are the easy example, AAs are also easy. At various points they even did it to other Europeans like the Irish.
And some white's do point out their heritage. I think it is wrong to assume that there is something wrong with celebrating diversity. Is it true we are American's? Sure, but at the same time we are not the borg either. Not everybody needs to feel and act the same way. Given their experience and history of experience of their parents and the like it is not possible for everybody to think American means the same thing.
It does not. At best it can be an ideal. But celebration of differences is a good thing. Or at least can be. At the moment the drive seems to be about as bad as some claim SJW are. Removing diversity and ignoring history.
Ironically, from many of those that are all about preserving confederate history at all costs in the forms of statues.
Quote:WTHeck is wrong with just being an American? That people put "Fill-in-the-blank"-American is segregationist.
No it is not. I would like to hear the grounds you make the claim on though. As that assumption pretty much means one has to ignore history and everything else.
Everybody is not starting on square 0 here. Not all whites have it good either, but if one compares races than it is clearly out in front.
Quote:Be it a color or a state or a religion...I don't think it should matter if we want to be a unified country accepting of the differences is others.
Religion is a choice. It is protected in the Constitution but is probably the hardest thing to define in any realistic way. Race is just a property. There is not something anybody can do about it. Not the same.
A christian could become an atheist or numerous other things. A black guy is a black guy.
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