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Subj: Re: Mixed feelings...
Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 at 09:55:54 am EDT (Viewed 619 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Mixed feelings...
Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 at 03:41:25 pm EDT (Viewed 670 times)
Quote:Just wondering about everyone's position here.
Quote:While I sympathize with (Kaepernick's) initial reasoning, I'm not sure I agree with kneeling. Whatever social niggles the US has, the flag and National Anthem are as much to honor those who fought and/or died for the country.
Quote:That said, my opinion shifted once Trump weighed in. A President suggesting people be fired (i.e. punished) for kneeling during the National Anthem makes it a direct case of government interfering with freedom of speech, something those same soldiers fought and died defending.
Quote:I find it hard to feel for these rich millionaires and their complaints that THEY are mistreated. The same guys who are basically paid to play a game all through college while the rest of us have to actually work for our grades.
Quote:I am confused as to why this has a barring on if they have been mistreated in the past or know people who are. They have a platform where they can be noticed and they chose to. That is their right.
I am questioning their motives and "lack" of standing up for the injustices THEY have benefitted from.
Quote:They could be fired for it too, but they are within their rights. I just think you are mixing loads of issues that have no barring here.
I pretty flatly stated it was within their rights. Not mixing anything.
Quote:No this isn't a conspiracy theory a large percentage of athletes are given many special "privileges" etc...
Quote:Yes, but what does that have to do with what is happening here?
Their motives as I said above...they are self-motivated. They are hypocrites benefitting from the system and using this for self-promotion. But they sure wouldn't stand up against their own unfair advantageous treatment.
Quote:That said...this kind of protest is a very peaceful one and they have every right to do so (and if they suffer commercial contract losses they should not complain). And they have every right to continue to do so. I am curious where this requirement of a national anthem at all sporting events even comes from in the first place. The Olympics? If so is a bunch of millionaires playing for a bunch of billionaires something we should even play the anthem at?
Quote:As for Trump...as sick as I am of the media attacking him like rabid dogs over every single thing he does...he's an idiot and his statements here prove it. If he had just said something along the lines of..."They have the right to do this. I feel it is wrong and diminishes those who fight for their very right to protest like this...but it is their right nonetheless." I think he would have a lot more agreement...instead we get a petulant child throwing a temper tantrum.
Quote:I am more sick of those up in arms about this but not as up in arms about other crimes in the NFL. Ray Rice was on video knocking his girlfriend/wife out cold and draggin her out of the elevator. Where were these Patriotic Defense Warriors then?
I agree 100%. But this also includes these players...where were they when this happened? They like pointing the finger but never at themselves.
Quote:IMO, Trump should be attacked all of the time. His administration is basically, with or without the media, changing US politics for the worst. Just keep telling lies and expecting everybody to believe you. His base and supporters will believe and defend every lie anyway.
Quote:The toxicity is probably beyond recovery at this point.
All the time? Really? That's...rather single minded. He should just be attacked regardless of what he says? That's why he will stay in power. Attacking EVERYTHING all the time...will at the very least portray you as even less rational than he is.