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Ancient One 

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Paste Pot Pete 
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Subj: Re: The day Jesus died.
Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 at 04:12:22 pm EDT (Viewed 486 times)
Reply Subj: Re: The day Jesus died.
Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 at 10:09:17 am EDT (Viewed 498 times)

    Yeah and didn't two of the Gospels end with Jesus dying. I'm not even sure the original intention was that Jesus be a supernatural figure.

Right. None of our earliest copies of Mark for example, contain the last 12 verses. The women go to Jesus' tomb. They find the stone rolled away and a young man inside who tells them not to be afraid, and to go and tell the disciples that Jesus has risen, and will meet them in Galilee. The women then flee from the tomb in terror and they say nothing to anyone...

And that's where it ends. Kind of like Arthurian legend. The promise of a resurrection, that this great king will return, but no actual resurrection.

    I think that evolved over time as Christianity "found it's legs" and figured out what its messages were.

Evolve it did. But it HAD to because by the end of the first century it was facing something of a crisis.

Jesus, his disciples and apostles all believed that the end times were coming within human lifetime. Jesus specifically tells people that some of them will still be alive when it happens. By the time Mark writes his gospel about 40 years later, it's still a possibility, but by the time John writes his gospel, some 70 years after Jesus made the statement, it was now extremely unlikely that anyone who actually knew Jesus was still alive, and that the prophecy was false. John alters the wording of stories, and omits stories altogether to cover this up and change the prophecy from 'within human lifetime' to an unspecified future.

Also, believing the end of the world was nearly upon them, no early Christian was interested in forming churches, or having rules and regulations, or in leadership. But again by the end of the century they realised it wasn't going to happen and were probably in it for the long haul, and that's where they begin to develop churches and all the attendant bells and bobs, and establish church leaders.

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