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MysteryMan

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Subj: Re: A response to Jesusfan.
Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 at 07:12:08 am CST (Viewed 399 times)
Reply Subj: Re: A response to Jesusfan.
Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 at 10:47:39 am CST (Viewed 445 times)



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      There needs to be a balance. You cannot regulate everything and make laws for every instance. I think it's stupid but would you really want to force somebody to make you a pink penis cake if you knew they hated you? And if you do...your probably doing it for a non-positive reason since others stores will happily make one for you.



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    There IS a balance. There's a fine line between simple choice and discrimination, and I'd be hard pressed in some cases to tell you where that line is. But that's why we have laws, and courts, and judges to look at each case individually and make decisions on them.


The problem is our Judges are corrupt...I have seen it almost every single time I have been to court. Perhaps this is why I am not so trusting of them.


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    And they're not isolated things. The legal rulings in this particular bakery case will have implications in many other cases for years or decades to come.


That's fair enough...I would like to know more about the actual events instead of what is just reported by the news which is based on pure sensationalism these days.


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    I usually answer questions like yours with a question of my own: Do you think that what people like Martin Luther King and Rosa Parks did was right? All they did was fight for minority rights.


100% Behind what they did. I'd say Martins was not ONLY about Minority rights, but a valiant effort to draw humanity closer together. He was an amazing man and has had an amazing impact on the country of the United States. Rosa is an example of how hard it can be to stand up for someone to stand up for even basic rights and highlighted some very serious issues of the day that permeated public thought.


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    There were a great many individuals who owned stores, or hotels/boarding houses or restaurants who simply wanted to follow their own consciences, run their businesses the way they wanted to, and just not provide their services to blacks. That's all. But it was still discrimination.


Agreed...I may have been wishing but I am leery of over regulating everyone's actions with laws. There are a good many terrible or just silly/stupid laws out there on the books. Probably too trusting to think people could handle this without enforced laws.


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    Some things will never change unless we kick up a fuss about them. The ruling in the bakery case was a good one, because the next people who want to open a bakery will know that there are standards of behaviour they legally have to comply with, just as they have standards of food hygiene and public safety.


The question is though...where do you draw the line? Can they no longer refuse service for any reason (other than say hygienic/safety)?


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      Also curious would anyone be up in arms if say the store ONLY catered to the gay community...and would not sell straight people cakes.



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    Yes, because it's just as discriminatory.


Not sure that we would ever see a case like this (for MANY reasons), but glad we can agree then. BOTH would be discrimination.

As an aside a pink penis cake I believe the cake company could say no too...just not no to say a regular cake shape because the couple was gay.


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