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Subj: Re: No one has failed as badly as Republicans.
Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 at 04:34:34 pm EST (Viewed 124 times)
Reply Subj: Re: No one has failed as badly as Republicans.
Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 at 03:47:56 pm EST (Viewed 134 times)
Quote:I wouldn't say its White nationalistic..just Nationalistic. Which isn't bad by default...it can be good to promote your country and values. It's when it goes too far that it is an issue...which all too often it can.
Quote:I do appreciate your politeness in discussing this, just an aside and acknowledgement. It is rare to contrast opinions on a hot-button issue like this and not have things explode.
Quote:Regarding nationalism, I have honestly not seen or heard of a form of nationalism that wasn't ultimately tied to racial identity. The Nazis redefined socialism a 'nationalist' movement (hence the term 'National Socialism').
Quote:The famous Charles Linbergh, who was sympathetic to the Nazi ideology, pushed for isolation and anti-semitism under the banner of 'America First'. This nationalist movement ultimately ended until in disgrace, until recent years, with a recorded speech which protested the Jewish influence in America.
Quote:Bannon says that he's an Economic Nationalist. Which just on the surface is a self-destructive protectionist ideology, and is the antithesis of traditional conservationism and free market capitalism. The kind of candidate Bannon pushes for in his populist-protectionist-nationalist movement happen to have very disturbing viewpoints beyond economics (outright anti-American views, such as the subversion of the First Amendment).
Quote:If nationalism can be channeled towards something other than jingoism and/or racism and bigotry, I would absolutely be all for it. Historically, this hasn't been the case.
Quote:I remember an old Star Trek episode where a Star Fleet Captain tries to fix a troubled planet by introducing National Socialism (Nazism). His goal was to channel the efficiency of the system towards positive change. It didn't turn out very well for that society. Not that Science fiction is particularly relevant, but this thought-experiment has examined in that arena.
The problem with nationalism is...well the people and the personal agendas they put into it.
I see nothing wrong with being proud of your country and its values...as long as you are open to improving on them. That's what I feel "used" to be Americas identity. Now its all...opposing forces pushing their own agendas...from both extremes.
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