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MysteryMan

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Subj: Re: People can correct me but...
Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 at 05:02:25 pm EST (Viewed 95 times)
Reply Subj: Re: People can correct me but...
Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 at 04:49:32 pm EST (Viewed 103 times)



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          I am being serious. This is not something that I see people discuss offline.

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          It used to mean fighting for equality, rights, and against social inequalities in the world. Ex: Martin Luthor King would be a SJW.

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        I would say he fought for social justice. The term, as such, did not exist in common usage like it does now.



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    Don't disagree...I was simply saying he made a good example for the original use (more positive) of the SJW term.


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        It has morphed as all things do (Ex: Swastika used to be a symbol of peace, # used to be number or pound sign not hashtag, etc...)...now it stands for people who jump on the "politically correct" bandwagon with little understanding of why...just because they want to appear like one of the social "good guys", fit in, etc...I could be wrong but I think its a term the Right also uses against liberals....of course liberals call the right Nazis and other things as well.

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        I thin it is rarely if ever used in a good way. At least as far as I can tell. It is always an insult anymore. I think the thing some forget is that SJ as such is not that gradual. And somebody is going to be offended by it.



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    That's what I was trying to say...much like the Swastika is also not used much in a positive light anymore.


I remember hearing some restaurant tried and got in deep trouble. Some symbols are just too strong at this point.


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      I do find it telling that many of those using the label the most are also the ones who defend the free speech of Nazi's more often than they would a feminist. Which is disturbing to me.



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    I see people disagree with certain feminist remarks...I don't see them saying they don't have a right to their words though. I sure wouldn't want to prevent them from speaking. I strongly disagree with some of them, but I also agree with many of their sentiments of unfair treatment.


Not saying you, I am talking about what I have seen. It is find to disagree. I think it gets complicated on what grounds.

As some people will disagree, sound polite, but basically be coming from a dark face. Turning the instruments of discussion against the point of them in the first place. Which is something I see becoming more and more common.


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        I also think it has gained the reputation as very superficial...as people are ordered according to superficial surface traits. Ex: I watch Bill Maher and they constantly use the term White Men of power doing something bad. When the non-racist way to say it would be a Person in power who happens to be White and Male...would it not? And sure there are more White Males in power...but the real trouble seems to be in this world people in power of any race or sex that misuse it as power corrupts.

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        I am not sure you can separate the two. Typically the party in power entrenches things in their favor. It is hard to argue that white men have not done that in the US and in many other places. It does not matter how you want to phrase it.



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    Historically and around the world today those in power have abused that power. Regardless of race or sex. power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely and all that jazz. We have a long way to go in making things better...but imo the path is not to throw labels and WHITE-MEN men power, but to put a proper system in place so that PEOPLE in power cannot abuse it. Otherwise your just changing out whos abusing whom and it becomes a case of...well we "Insert current race/sex"-better stay on top cause its good to be the King/Queen.
    And to be fair...historically...you didn't even have the freedom to bring this up. Things are getting better...sadly very slowly.


While the abstraction is true. The point that is true based on history is that white men have been in power and done a fair bit to keep power. That is still true.

Things getting better does not really underline that point. People in power can be corrupt but in the US and other places we are, in many respects, in a battle between those two forces of identity politics.

Whenever somebody argues about that, it is often treated as the side including minorities. Appealing to African American's and others. What one never hears is that the other side is the way it is. White folks in charge. White men. It is for sure part of culture in many people's minds. Most are not even trying to be racist or anything of the kind but it does not remove the problem.

Any change from the norm to say help a minority is resisted by using terms like "everybody else". It makes things complicated. And I think in terms of public dialogue we do a pretty crappy job of acknowledging that end of things.

And if we like it or not, white men are still in most positions of power in the US. As a society we are getting better. In terms of federal and state governments. I am more pessimistic.






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