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Subj: I disagree with this on several grounds...
Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 at 02:49:16 pm EST (Viewed 497 times)
Reply Subj: I Think That We Have To Take A Few Things Into Account, And More Importantly distinguish
Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 at 07:24:22 pm EST (Viewed 558 times)

    Between true sexual abuse and harassment, and just women getting offended or feeling uncomfortable. There is true sexual harassment out there (And men can get harassed as well.), but sometimes it can be very vague. Pretty much anyone can be brought up or accused. I remember there was a time at my old job where the bus driver came in and said something like "Women can't cook , or cook as well as men.". A guy was cooking at that time, I think that he might have been joking, but then a female worker heard it, got offended, and accused him of sexual harassment. So sometimes (Or maybe even more than sometimes.) that happens, and sometimes it's just a case of women being offended or made uncomfortable by simple guy talk or male behavior. Heck, sometimes even harmless flirting can fall into this. So, I think that this can be a good thing if it gets us to really narrow this down, and at the same time, weed out the true harassers.

I understand the distinction you are trying to make with severity. If it makes somebody uncomfortable than it is a problem. The legal standard for sexual harassment in particularly does not cover all forms of harassment.

For instance, I think the "guy talk" out is lazy and lacks context. Where is it being discussed and what is being discussed. If it is at work, than it is not ok. Even if it does not rise to the level of sexual harassment it is unprofessional and not ok. It creates a poor environment that can lead to worse and worse things. That is a fact.

Harmless flirting is not always harmless. I think that gets lost on some men and women. Depending on the context of the situation. Even at a bar. It is probably ok to go up to somebody and flirt and ask them out. But if they tell you to get lost than pushing the issue and getting more and more raunchy is not ok. By no stretch. And in a professional environment it is hard to imagine a situation where it is ok.

With some of these ideas it may seem to be splitting hairs, but it is better than trying to make non existent distinctions at times. People in power abuse things all of the time in all manner of ways.

A man, and more often woman, has a right to be without unwanted advances. And in many of these cases these are serial problems. And often saying get lost is not enough to drive off such people. Pending the example it may not be illegal but it is still not ok.

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