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Norvell

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Subj: Re: A liberals journalists "constructive" view of whats wrong with his party...
Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 at 01:30:32 pm EST (Viewed 142 times)
Reply Subj: Re: A liberals journalists "constructive" view of whats wrong with his party...
Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 at 12:22:17 pm EST (Viewed 144 times)



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    I think they should be able to make their case wherever. I think the issue I have with many of these "deabtes" is even if evidence is lacking. Folks do not really change their mind too often.


Agreed. The problem is further complicated by the fact that Trump doesn't really represent an ideology, much less an ideology that can be defended. He is aligned with some very ugly political entities, but he himself is more of an opportunist at best, brute authoritarian at worst.


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    This is true for Trump supporters or really most supporters of anything that they value. People rarely if ever change their minds. In particularly, most people react to facts counter to their beliefs by doubling down.


There are basically two or three methods of changing opinion on a large scale. Public shaming (making a behavior so socially toxic that it isn't openly engaged in; e.g. racism), and winning the argument through tangible policy results. A third method would be violence and war (see Civil War).

Actually changing opinion via discussion is difficult, especially when everyone is now entitled to their own facts. No one can agree on a baseline.

There are entities actively trying to make racism and ethnic bigotry socially acceptable, and I don't hesitate to demonize them. The argument cannot be won through debate.


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    Ironically, and I am picking on Trump supporters because I remember the polls, while many Trump supporters know he is lying. They do not care. What does one do to counter such things? It is not a lack of information at that point. It is a lack of caring and an indifference. So long as it is their guy.


Trump has lowered the bar for what is acceptable in politics, and that is why the push-back is so extreme.


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