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Ancient One 

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Subj: Re: Honestly all I see are excuses here
Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 at 05:51:40 pm EST (Viewed 370 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Honestly all I see are excuses here
Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 at 09:49:34 am EST (Viewed 492 times)

    I am not defending Christianity at all. But when it comes to true extremism...they are not strapping bombs to children and women and sending them into subway tunnels to kill people. When this is brought up...the response is always something like..."stop labelling them" or "they are not all like this" or something similar. And then the next post is about how terrible Christians are. I am pointing this out because it is biased whether meant or not.

Couldn't agree more. A Muslim fundamentalist blows himself up and takes innocent people with him, and the first thing you hear all over the media is...'This has got nothing to do with Islam'.

The statement isn't only untrue, it's not helping matters. It shuts down debate - discuss it as an act of terrorism, but don't discuss the cause being Islam - when we REALLY need to be bringing Islam into the spotlight. If these lunatics are getting their ideas on jihad from the Koran, then it has EVERTHING to do with Islam.

    The data is out there...the people who lived through it are still out there...most people dared not go to Church PERIOD.

Then why did he bother to reinstate the church? There's absolutely no question that he did it. But if no one could or would attend the churches, the it was an empty, meaningless gesture.

    Note - cannon "as no church hierarch could be consecrated by secular authorities" wasn't religious was used by secular

So...they reopened thousands of churches with no priests and no one attending? Reopened theological schools that didn't teach theology?

We have solid documentation written in 1945 that tells us that by August 1941 there were around 30,000 religious organisations active in Russia. The Orthodox Church alone having some 60 million supporters. Not all of them can have been secular little old ladies.

    All your link shows is an Atheist state using religion as a weapon against the people...i.e. convince them to go become soldiers and die for the state.

Yes! Absolutely! And it couldn't possibly have worked unless the people themselves were still highly religious.

And that's been my point all along, if you read back. Despite Stalin declaring Russia an atheist country, it never truly has been. The people always held on to their faith, even during the period when it was driven underground.

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