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Subj: Re: Excellent points, Ancient One
Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 at 07:58:42 pm EST (Viewed 42 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Honestly all I see are excuses here
Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 at 10:43:14 am EST (Viewed 46 times)


      Ok that's fair. But is it also fair to point out that I don't think I have once seen any other religion so harped against as Christianity on this board when its coming from Atheists? I personally am Agnostic. But those against religion on this board are always using the word religion or Christianity in their examples...and often Muslims and other religions are given a pass even if its only by omission?

    There's a reason we talk about Christianity so much. We live in the Western world, where Christianity is still the overwhelmingly predominant form of religion. Christianity is the faith that impacts our lives on an almost daily basis (And I'm not just talking about negative stuff here, but positive stuff too). I interact on several science websites, and whenever someone of religious belief posts to tell us we're all wrong, that evolution never happened and the Earth isn't four billion years old, 99.9% of the time that someone is a Christian.

Exactly. I would have thought this point obvious.


      Countries that have better living standard education and human rights have less crime...INDEPENDANT of religion or not. Your mixing and mashing your examples haphazardly.

    Countries that are highly religious tend for example to treat women abominably. They have no say. The word of a man is always believed over the word of a woman. They get punished for being raped. Saudi Arabia only just this year repealed a law forbidding women to drive a car! They're denied education. They can't leave the house unless it's in the company of their husband, father or brother, and only then covered up from head to foot.

    That's in the Middle East, primarily. But women fare little better in the African nations under Christianity.

    Let's bring it closer to home. How many devout Christians in the US do you think would vote for or support laws allowing gays the right of marriage, or cohabiting gays the same rights as heterosexual civil partnership couples? How many of them ACTIVELY oppose those kinds of freedoms? That's just one example of many I could cite where living standards and social welfare suffer under the weight of religious dogma.

    What about education? Evolutionary biology is the backbone of our current understanding of biology. It's crucial to our understanding of germ theory, for example. And yet there's a major push by Christians to get evolution taken off the school curriculum.

    We know our sun is 4.5 billion years old. Our telescopes have detected light coming to us from galaxies 13 billion light years away. Where does it leave cosmology - or geology - where does it leave our understanding of our place in the universe if every astronomer is taught. and HAS to take the view that the universe is only 6,ooo years old?

    These are not small things I'm talking about here. They're incredibly important. Science and the technologies that flow from science are the drivers of our economies here in the 21st century. If our scientific enquiry is curtailed, it has potentially disastrous consequences for the economy, and thus living standards and social wellbeing ON TOP of education.

    So I'm not 'mashing examples'. Religion negatively impacts all of the above.

I notice that MysteryMan doesn't respond to any of the above, which I take as an admission of their correctness.

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