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Norvell

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Subj: Re: Morality is progressive, and is decided by society.
Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 at 03:15:48 pm EST (Viewed 157 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Morality is progressive, and is decided by society.
Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 at 01:07:48 pm EST (Viewed 171 times)



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    To a point, sure. Some things do seem to have older roots than others. Like murder for instance. There have always been "buts" though.


The thing is, even lower animals understand that killing members of their own species is 'wrong' and has consequences for the 'society' of those animals. Animals have a sense of inner-species trust while hunting in packs, for example. We could not have evolved, or grown to this point in societal advancement, if we killed our own casually (with the caveat that human tribalism is about seeing other cultures/groups as the 'other').

It's almost a genetic law, rather than a moral one. We need to cooperate in order to exist.

Laws against killing -- even Biblical laws -- are designed to deal with aberrations of the norm, rather than actually prevent everyone from killing each other. Our nature state is not to kill each other. Morality can be boiled down further as simply cooperation and co-existence within the species.


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    Sure, but one can make the same point you are at other times. Many or all of these beliefs are also subject to change over time as different text are read with an eye of the time as opposed to the past. Or rather an interpretation supporting what they want it to say.



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    As in honesty, the Bible (I am picking it out because I am considering the US and my debates with creationists) really does not say much on modern issues. Some pretend it does but it really does not. There was even a very good book on the subject a year or so ago by a few Biblical scholars.


I think there's a role for religion as a philosophical tool, even a moral guideline, but using it as a strict source for morality can be very tricky, and requires a lot of cherry picking. According to Christians, God is a progressive being because he basically reformed his old laws when he reincarnated as Jesus (hence they refer to the New Testament and not the Old). As Jesus, he even suggested that the old laws were wrong and outdated (e.g. when asked if it was moral or just to stone an adulterer). If God can change his mind, then these laws are not immutable to begin with and can be modernized.

Buddhism is analogous to Christianity in that they (or he, if Buddha existed) tried to reform the old Brahman laws that were a bit outdated and were producing problems for society. Buddhism went a step further and removed the 'God' component from the moral equation, while retaining a strong spiritual element.


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