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Subj: Re: Are we about to see a constitutional crisis?
Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 at 04:18:56 pm EST (Viewed 165 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Are we about to see a constitutional crisis?
Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 at 02:52:44 pm EST (Viewed 172 times)
Quote:Probably, it is not entirely clear yet what will be done here. It still seems that no actions will be taken at the moment, just because it looks even worse if he pardon's somebody guilty of acting against the US at varying points. He got off light for a reason.
Quote:The Flynn pardon is less probable than the Mueller dismantling, IMO, but still a real possibility.
Quote:The drums to end the probe are getting louder. Particularly after the anti-Trump text messages between two investigators. I am not sure why this makes much of a difference. They were removed and that was the right thing but they were never the only people working on the whole thing. And government employees are allowed to have political opinions. I imagine that one could find all manner of opinions if you checked through all communications.
Quote:I get the outrage that one of the investigators was anti-Trump. But honestly, finding someone unbiased who isn't anti-Trump is a virtual impossibility. You'd have to be heavily biased in Trump's favor to view him in a neutral manner. Everyone has an opinion, and the vast majority of Americans have a negative opinion of Trump.
Quote:Regardless, as you said, the guy was promptly removed.
Quote:So long as the evidence is sound, things are fine. It is a joke really. The whole political system is almost designed to be beyond corrupt at this point. I just want to imagine that if this was president Clinton if the GOP would be fighting tooth and nail to protect her like they are Trump. I tend to doubt it.
Quote:There was a very intelligent Russian critic on the Daily Show recently who agreed with the Russian viewpoint that America has lost its mind. The point wasn't that there shouldn't be an investigation, but that it wasn't the Russians who created Fox News, Breitbart, or originated the Electoral College. It's a fair point that, even if Russia sandbagged Hillary, America is chiefly to blame for electing Trump. In the end the people have to own that decision.
And that is fair. From what I have managed to put together the hacking of the DNC and wiki leeks are the most direct thing that they did. Some on the campaign were involved but how much is hard to say.
The big thing was to stir the pot on issues that already are hot button in the US. Gun rights, BLM and so on and so forth. Which does not take too much effort. They were able to target them to areas.
Did those make a difference is hard to say but it is possible it increased the motivation in some populations.
Quote:But back to the investigation -- you are correct, either the evidence is there or it isn't.
Quote:The irony is pretty strong. It is also pretty bad that despite very real threats to our election system that Trump has taken no actions at all to address any of it. He looks at it as an insult to his win. He has formed a commission to prove that he won the popular vote or to look into voter fraud though. You know, the real issue...
Quote:Apparently Trump's intelligence briefings are designed to omit Russian intel, so as not to upset Trump. Let that sink in.
Yeah, I read the same article.
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