Dave Galanter
December 1st 1969 - December 12th 2020
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Subj: Re: You're Kind Of Missing The Point, And You're Overlooking Something.
Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2017 at 09:02:01 pm EST (Viewed 385 times)
Reply Subj: Re: You're Kind Of Missing The Point, And You're Overlooking Something.
Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2017 at 07:19:37 pm EST (Viewed 431 times)

    You seem to be arguing based on whether YOU like stories or directions. That's fine, but you're saying that the company has an agenda. That's hard to prove, especially as this has been going on for DECADES. You mentioned Claremont's run being great, but he himself could have had an agenda by making the team mostly female. The same with Roger Stern having Monica lead the Avengers, or when Luke Cage joined a team, or when Byrne created Northstar. And so on.

    And yes, people did complain back in the day. Gwen Stacy's death caused a LOT of outrage and controversy back in the day, now it's considered one of the best deaths in comics. Or when Barbara Gordon got crippled. And so on.

    Regarding the whole Diversity thing, you have to also take into account that comics don't sell like they used to. So they do have to try to appeal to readers of different races, backgrounds and cultures. Not everything these days revolves around Superman and The X-Men anymore.

They don't have to "UN-appeal" to old readers. They don't have to fail for multiple years. And only if they had an agenda would they call people racist for not buying their books.

When books failed in the past, marvel did not call them racist over it.

    Finally, while I do agree with you about heroes being too dark and grim (And not having the same compunctions about killing.), if you think about it, that applied to the 80's as well. Take Miller's Daredevil, for example. Colossus killed under Claremont (More than once, too.). Captain America killed back then. Also, I did post this on the Marvel board, but very few characters can be ruined. Almost anything in superhero comics can be reversed. Look at Hal Jordan and The Scarlet Witch.

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