Previous Post Quote: Quote: Quote: The DNC does appear to have been for Clinton but I think this is played up a bit much. She still did win most of the primaries. One can make a case for the issue with super delegates but that is not something that can be manipulated easily. Clinton would have always had an intrinsic advantage with that one. Quote: Quote: Not played up at all. There was direct collusion with the woman in charge of the DNC. So bad in fact she had to be removed. Actually recorded discussions on how could the DNC help Bernie be defeated. Quote: This is the best summary on it I can find... Quote: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/11/2/16599036/donna-brazile-hillary-clinton-sanders Quote: I am unaware of everything in the case. However, the fact is that Bernie still lost. One can say the DNC help had a fair bit to do with that, but at the same time I am not sure that most of the Democratic voters just do what the DNC say either. So tampering is ok if its for Hillary. If underhanded techniques give you more votes...one can just say it didn't matter really. I guess we can apply the same logic to the Russian leaks and any votes Trump may have gained right? Quote: Quote: Not only this...the replacement woman in charge immediately colluded AGAIN with the Clinton campaign...providing the questions to their head to head discussions planned many days in advance. Giving Hillary complete knowledge of what would be asked well ahead of time. Quote: I do not view this one as all that scandalous. Trump did. I am not alright with it, but it is hardly the first time. Most debates are frankly a joke in our political system. And this is the problem...neither side see's a problem when its THEM doing it. Quote: Anyone worth their salt knows the questions going to be asked a mile away for the most part. Particularly with the presidential debates. I find that debates are really a very poor format for determining what a candidate knows or does not know. It is typically more a contrast of styles or appearances more than anything else. I find this...disturbing. It's like saying giving all the test questions a week ahead for some students and not others is OK...it wont affect their grades after all right? Quote: Quote: The Republican party is corrupt as heck...but the fact that this seems to be continually swept under the carpet or minimalized by the left just boggles the mind. Quote: Does it matter much at the moment? The various scandals of the Trump transition team, campaign and administration are more paramount to government function, ethics and power in the US than worrying about a lost candidate. I am not worrying about a lost candidate...we are both responding to the posed question. Though I find it odd that many on the LEFT cant see what happened as a real issue and one that should be addressed so they don't fail to the orange baboon next time around. Quote: The DNC should do soul searching and strive to be more fair in the future. However, from what I have heard the fundraising thing was given to both candidates. Clinton got some additional things. That is not ok, but even if those did not happen, it is unlikely to have affected the result. Go back and read where 99% of the campaign funds went..."some additional things"...lol

I removed my initial reply. Your reply is fairly nasty in tone and twists a fair bit of what I say into what you want it to say. Ironically, what you have accused me of in the past.

I never said that it was ok. What the DNC did was unethical. That said, I do not think that it would have made a difference for Sanders. He still lost many primary states. The idea that he would have faired better in some may be true but it is a leap to assume it would have flipped things in my view.

Ironically, we are also discussing this. A topic that matters for internal DNC strife and so on but apparently are cool with giving Trump a pass on breaking the ethical rules of government and various other things. I mean Clinton and the DNC had a deal. That is the same as Russia being involved in our election and trying to sway it.

You made that claim, not me. You made it mockingly, but it worth pointing out that logically it does not hold up. Unless you hold that an American political party shooting itself in the foot is the same as a foreign power getting involved in a US election. Trump is the only guy that believes they were not and has done nothing about it. Nadda. I am skeptical that Trump colluded (although people around him tried at the least).

I guess one can make a case that if we are to be consistent than we have to look at every violation equally. What the DNC did was wrong. I am not sure that I would ever agree that it was to the same level as what Trump is doing from a place of actual power. You can think otherwise, but that is not seeing the forest through the trees.

I am also not sure why you love to give a pass to everybody that voted for Trump and their reasons and then bash liberals for nominating the worst candidate ever. You never hold the people voting for him accountable...

https://www.thenation.com/article/economic-anxiety-didnt-make-people-vote-trump-racism-did/

Clinton was a factor. And the baggage with her. But people picked Trump for reasons that it is not at all clear they would have jumped to Sanders for. Just look at how Trump is governing. There are reasons there are accusations of racism and various very bad things happening. I am sure those that hate political correct culture love seeing minorities and those that are different than the majority bashed and persecuted.

I am not one of them. If that is who you are saying those with left leaning ideologies should go to win back the soul of America than America was lost a while ago. Sounds nihilistic but true.

I know the topic is Clinton, but I just could not resist bringing this up. Despite the various Trump controversies I have noticed a trend of posts that are going after Clinton. And various posters are so predictable on attacking one thing but not the other it gets old.

In conclusion, hate Clinton all you want. She is done and out of it. That is fine and dandy. Not sure if you want her thrown in jail or what for this action. It was unethical for sure. Folks should get in big trouble. But at the same time, I never see you get fired up over the reverse cases. Other than blaming liberals. Apparently, in your eyes, conservatives are a lost cause and cannot be convinced of much or that liberals should just give in and become conservatives. Not sure which sometimes.