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Subj: I think the thing with guns...
Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 at 09:46:44 am EST (Viewed 352 times)
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There was another mass shooting that happened not too long ago, and after the horror that was the Vegas tragedy, I do think that something needs to be done. I don't think that it's possible to prevent all of this, and I think that we'll always have gun violence and some mass shootings. BUT, there are ways to decrease this.
When Hillary was running (Her second time.) against Bernie, she came up with this ABSURD idea to sue the gun manufacturers and the dealers, and to hold them responsible for gun violence and mass shootings (This was in response to a lawsuit that was filed by the families of Sandy Hook victims.). It is really absurd (I mean, you don't go after Budweiser for Drunk Driving deaths, or Honda for vehicular manslaughter, do you?), but it might actually have some merit. Maybe if guns were better regulated or harder to obtain legally, this stuff wouldn't happen. I don't know, but I'm actually starting to kind of see her point. It's not going to happen anytime soon, but maybe we do need some more gun laws.

is that has become a defining identity issue for many. Meaning, there are a vocal minority that will accept nothing that regulates guns and others are more open. Meaning the vocal group will win more times than not.

More sadly, we have sort of lost the discussion on gun violence and guns to the NRA's narrative that is highly selective and very modern. They do not have an originalist view on guns as interrupted by the courts for the previous 200 years. This was through "activist judges" ironically. This means everybody is starting from different areas of law, political ideology and history. Meaning it is a mess.

We also do not have a great idea on what measures work better than others. There are many reasons for this but most of it wraps up into ideology. We do not know as much as we should on the effectiveness of various measures or how to improve them.

Would holding gun manufacturers responsible change much? I think it would be hard to enforce. They could get out of things with saying we just make them. And that is a fair enough point.

That said, I find the total rejection of expanded background checks, banning things that make weapons near full auto and restricting guns to certain groups of people should be seriously considered, but never really will be. Sadly. They still would not fix everything, there are already a ton of guns in the US market, but at least it is something.

I find the direction that gun violence prevention has started to take is support of vigilantes. Hoping somebody with a guy will stop it and that is the end of the story. That is pathetic. It is hoping for somebody to be a hero and get lucky. I am not opposed to concealed and carry if somebody wants to do it, but I do think that more should be done with it. Some states just give them to you with next to know training. Seems like this should be standardized.

Letting the states sort things out shows how a patchwork system has such limitations. It is great that state A has harsh gun laws, but does that matter if you can go to neighboring state B and buy them without a question or much less hastle? Pick something and that is the way.

There is not magic bullet to fix this. Given the US culture about guns the best we can really do is attempt to minimize it. But even that is frustrating because the political will to do that is basically zero.

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