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Subj: Re: Not sure I dissagree but there is one thing people always forget...
Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 at 11:30:34 am EST (Viewed 1221 times)
Reply Subj: Not sure I dissagree but there is one thing people always forget...
Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 at 08:09:10 am EST (Viewed 1224 times)
Again, something so tragic raises the issue of gun laws. This doesn't happen anywhere else in the world.
Quote:Basically 17 people are dead, because of a cowardly, no hoper Nikolas Cruz.
Quote:I understand that some people have a romanticised version that they are John Wayne and could outshoot a rogue gunman. The answer is limit gun laws surely?
Quote:Why do you need automatic, military grade weapons? I just don't get it, I just now a lot of parents and siblings will go on without their children.
Quote:...in todays world with access to the knowledge to make incendiaries...wouldn't the whackos just switch to this? Or get their guns illegally? The issue is more I think...how has the mentality that has led to things like this come about.
Quote:How do we treat the disease and not the symptoms?
But one could take that a bit further. Why is the US this way in the first place? We have about 4% of the world's population but just shy of half of the world's privately owned guns.
That in and of itself makes it easier for those illegal gun deals to happen. Access is pretty much prime in the US compared to anywhere else.
For that matter, why are guns so romanticized by such a vocal group? If somebody wants a gun to protect themselves than fine, but why do we find it acceptable in public discourse that the Second Amendment is a blanket Amendment to support insurrection to overthrow the government. Particularly when that was never the reality or the intention.
I am pretty convinced that nothing can be done at this point at any rate that would get any realistic traction in the US. Apparently we accept that kids dying is just normal. And who cares about adults?
Preventing some individuals with problems from owning guns may be one area (this path was started to go down by Obama but Trump undid the executive action), bump stock ban did not go anywhere, folks on the no fly list cannot fly and do other things but can access a gun, the background check system we have needs to be overhauled to be more comprehensive and not let as many through the cracks.
Nothing, given how many guns are already present, will stop all gun crime, but much much more can be done to reduce the numbers.
I am not sure I buy into the tool argument completely. A gun is a tool, like a knife. But it is easier to do more harm with a gun than a knife. Easier to kill oneself or accidentally kill somebody. A knife has numerous intended uses other than stabbing somebody but guns are primarily there (based on proponents claims) to protect individuals, stop bad guys or similar things. Target shooting aside.
Even intimidation with a gun is the threat of violence. We should treat guns differently and do much more to push responsible gun ownership. We do not know what really does that either. And that is pathetic at this point.
It is like most politicians are just happy to scede the debate to the NRA and be done with it. Ignoring that the NRA is not a good source for the history of gun rights either. Their ideas are actually quite scary and hinge mostly on scaring people. At least from what I can tell from the speeches I hear. I would much prefer them doing more to help official agencies to do more to make gun ownership safer with training and the like. At least it is something. Not the lone hero facades they want to paint.
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