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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 at 03:09:50 pm EST (Viewed 927 times)

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It's not just the guns, because there are states and cities that have really stick gun laws (Chicago and California.) but still have big homicide rates, and other states (Such as Vermont.) that have very loose gun laws and very low homicide rates. It's more complicated than just guns being available. Also, for what it's worth, most gun deaths are not homicides.

Fair point.

Accidents probably accounts for a fair amount of deaths, but don't you think the gun = security paradigm has to be challenged a bit when you look at the data? There has to be something wrong somewhere to get results that are so different from other countries when we look at the per capita data on weapon possession and death by gun.

More guns = more opportunities for accidents and violent death in the same way more cars = more opportunity for car accidents and road rage.

It is hard to conclude that, overall, guns = safety.

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Florida · Bk Ray · Thu Feb 15, 2018 at 04:25:35 am EST
- If kids are hitting each other with sticks..... · Bk Ray · Tue Feb 27, 2018 at 04:37:15 am EST
  - Re: If kids are hitting each other with sticks..... · bd2999 · Wed Feb 28, 2018 at 02:51:54 pm EST
- I think this goes here... · Would be Watcher · Mon Feb 19, 2018 at 11:10:31 am EST
  - And that too... · Would be Watcher · Mon Feb 19, 2018 at 09:02:38 pm EST
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      - Re: IDK why FB blurp so many all of a sudden but here is one more... · bd2999 · Wed Feb 21, 2018 at 02:51:50 pm EST
        
        Re: What Conspiracy Theories? And, Guns! · Comicguy1 · Wed Feb 21, 2018 at 07:28:57 pm EST
        
        Re: What Conspiracy Theories? And, Guns! · zvelf · Thu Feb 22, 2018 at 01:22:49 pm EST
        
        Re: Actually, Check This Out. · Comicguy1 · Thu Feb 22, 2018 at 05:32:14 pm EST
        
        Re: Actually, Check This Out. · Trent Trueheart · Sat Feb 24, 2018 at 08:13:39 am EST
        
        Re: No · Comicguy1 · Sat Feb 24, 2018 at 08:40:11 pm EST
        
        Re: No · Trent Trueheart · Sun Feb 25, 2018 at 10:17:29 am EST
        
        Re: You Can't PREVENT Mass Shootings! · Comicguy1 · Tue Feb 27, 2018 at 12:41:41 pm EST
        
        Re: You Can't PREVENT Mass Shootings! · Trent Trueheart · Thu Mar 01, 2018 at 08:47:48 am EST
        
        Re: Nonsense! · Comicguy1 · Thu Mar 01, 2018 at 12:58:36 pm EST
        
        Re: Nonsense! · Trent Trueheart · Fri Mar 02, 2018 at 10:24:30 am EST
        
        Re: Precautions, Yes. · Comicguy1 · Fri Mar 02, 2018 at 07:08:12 pm EST
        
        Re: Precautions, Yes. · Trent Trueheart · Fri Mar 02, 2018 at 07:47:30 pm EST
        
        Re: Clearly. · Comicguy1 · Fri Mar 02, 2018 at 10:13:14 pm EST
        
        Re: You Can't PREVENT Mass Shootings! · zvelf · Tue Feb 27, 2018 at 11:28:04 pm EST
        
        Re: There Are Other Forms Of Mass Killings. · Comicguy1 · Wed Feb 28, 2018 at 10:31:04 am EST
        
        Re: There Are Other Forms Of Mass Killings. · zvelf · Fri Mar 02, 2018 at 01:29:27 pm EST
        
        Re: You're Arguing On An Emotional Level. · Comicguy1 · Fri Mar 02, 2018 at 04:29:38 pm EST
        
        Re: You're Arguing On An Emotional Level. · zvelf · Sat Mar 03, 2018 at 12:00:50 am EST
        
        Re: Please Stop Putting Words Into My Mouth · Comicguy1 · Sat Mar 03, 2018 at 08:34:41 am EST
        
        Re: Please Stop Putting Words Into My Mouth · bd2999 · Mon Mar 05, 2018 at 04:27:16 pm EST
        
        Re: Not Really. · Comicguy1 · Mon Mar 05, 2018 at 08:54:30 pm EST
        
        Re: Not Really. · Bk Ray · Tue Mar 06, 2018 at 01:46:15 am EST
        
        Re: We're Talking About MASS Killers, Here. · Comicguy1 · Tue Mar 06, 2018 at 11:46:00 am EST
        
        I fail to see your point... · bd2999 · Wed Feb 28, 2018 at 02:47:45 pm EST
        
        Re: I Didn't Say That Nothing Should Be Done. · Comicguy1 · Wed Feb 28, 2018 at 09:56:45 pm EST
        
        False · bd2999 · Tue Feb 27, 2018 at 03:27:49 pm EST
        
        Re: I'm Not Against All Regulations. · Comicguy1 · Tue Feb 27, 2018 at 08:03:31 pm EST
        
        Re: I'm Not Against All Regulations. · bd2999 · Wed Feb 28, 2018 at 02:51:10 pm EST
        
        Re: The Assault Weapons Ban Wasn't Unconstitutional. No. · Comicguy1 · Wed Feb 28, 2018 at 10:02:25 pm EST
        
        Re: Actually, Check This Out. · The Black Guardian · Fri Feb 23, 2018 at 08:18:38 am EST
        
        Re: No, Not At All. · Comicguy1 · Fri Feb 23, 2018 at 08:08:22 pm EST
        
        Ye, Most Certainly. · The Black Guardian · Sat Feb 24, 2018 at 10:29:29 am EST
        
        Re: Not Sure Where Your Getting This From. · Comicguy1 · Sat Feb 24, 2018 at 08:43:45 pm EST
        
        Re: Not Sure Where Your Getting This From. · zvelf · Tue Feb 27, 2018 at 11:19:21 pm EST
        
        Re: If The Shooters Want To Go Out In A Blaze Of Glory · Comicguy1 · Wed Feb 28, 2018 at 10:34:25 am EST
        
        Re: If The Shooters Want To Go Out In A Blaze Of Glory · zvelf · Wed Feb 28, 2018 at 09:40:02 pm EST
        
        Re: DUH! · Comicguy1 · Wed Feb 28, 2018 at 10:04:21 pm EST
        
        Re: DUH! · zvelf · Thu Mar 01, 2018 at 03:23:30 pm EST
        
        Re: No, It's Not My Belief. · Comicguy1 · Thu Mar 01, 2018 at 04:34:35 pm EST
        
        Re: No, It's Not My Belief. · zvelf · Fri Mar 02, 2018 at 01:25:22 pm EST
        
        Re: If The Shooters Want To Go Out In A Blaze Of Glory · bd2999 · Wed Feb 28, 2018 at 02:55:00 pm EST
        
        Re: Very RARELY Do They Target Those Locations! · Comicguy1 · Wed Feb 28, 2018 at 10:08:07 pm EST
        
        Re: Actually, Check This Out. · zvelf · Thu Feb 22, 2018 at 06:21:18 pm EST
        
        Re: I Didn't Say That They NEVER Happen! · Comicguy1 · Thu Feb 22, 2018 at 06:39:11 pm EST
        
        Re: I Didn't Say That They NEVER Happen! · zvelf · Thu Feb 22, 2018 at 09:24:49 pm EST
        
        Re: That Doesn't Change The Fact · Comicguy1 · Thu Feb 22, 2018 at 10:17:59 pm EST
        
        Re: That Doesn't Change The Fact · zvelf · Thu Feb 22, 2018 at 11:21:11 pm EST
        
        Re: No, Ridiculous. · Comicguy1 · Fri Feb 23, 2018 at 08:04:17 pm EST
        
        Re: No, Ridiculous. · zvelf · Sat Feb 24, 2018 at 07:46:53 am EST
        
        Re: No, Still Ridiculous. · Comicguy1 · Sat Feb 24, 2018 at 09:33:12 pm EST
        
        Re: No, Still Ridiculous. · zvelf · Sun Feb 25, 2018 at 05:38:49 pm EST
        
        Re: No, Still Ridiculous. · bd2999 · Tue Feb 27, 2018 at 03:31:08 pm EST
        Re: Fallacies. · Comicguy1 · Mon Feb 26, 2018 at 01:12:29 pm EST
        
        Re: Fallacies. · zvelf · Wed Feb 28, 2018 at 09:44:06 pm EST
        
        Re: Somewhat Better. · Comicguy1 · Thu Mar 01, 2018 at 01:49:21 pm EST
        
        Re: Somewhat Better. · zvelf · Fri Mar 02, 2018 at 01:23:37 pm EST
        
        Re: You're Going Backwards Now. · Comicguy1 · Fri Mar 02, 2018 at 04:24:13 pm EST
        
        Re: You're Going Backwards Now. · zvelf · Fri Mar 02, 2018 at 11:58:18 pm EST
        
        Re:Aaaaaaand · Comicguy1 · Sat Mar 03, 2018 at 09:16:30 am EST
        
        Re:Aaaaaaand · zvelf · Sun Mar 04, 2018 at 08:46:35 pm EST
        
        Re:You're Still Missing A Few Things. · Comicguy1 · Mon Mar 05, 2018 at 09:08:52 pm EST
        
        Re:You're Still Missing A Few Things. · zvelf · Tue Mar 06, 2018 at 01:38:24 pm EST
        
        Re:A Few Things. · Comicguy1 · Tue Mar 06, 2018 at 07:28:39 pm EST
        
        Re:A Few Things. · zvelf · Wed Mar 07, 2018 at 08:17:09 pm EST
        
        Re: OOOOOOOOOHHH , Boooyyy! · Comicguy1 · Fri Mar 09, 2018 at 12:43:00 pm EST
        
        Re: OOOOOOOOOHHH , Boooyyy! · zvelf · Mon Mar 12, 2018 at 04:47:35 pm EDT
        
        Re:A Few Things. · bd2999 · Wed Mar 07, 2018 at 10:53:19 am EST
        
        Re: The Link Won't Work, Here Is The Article. · Comicguy1 · Thu Feb 22, 2018 at 05:34:39 pm EST
        
        Re: The Link Won't Work, Here Is The Article. · zvelf · Thu Feb 22, 2018 at 06:19:33 pm EST
        
        Re: You Do Know That OBAMA Ordered This Study Done, Don't You? · Comicguy1 · Thu Feb 22, 2018 at 06:40:56 pm EST
        
        Re: You Do Know That OBAMA Ordered This Study Done, Don't You? · bd2999 · Tue Feb 27, 2018 at 03:33:20 pm EST
        
        Re: Private Research. · Comicguy1 · Tue Feb 27, 2018 at 08:09:05 pm EST
        
        The CDC actually does many studies regarding health... · bd2999 · Wed Feb 28, 2018 at 02:41:55 pm EST
        
        Re: You Do Know That OBAMA Ordered This Study Done, Don't You? · zvelf · Thu Feb 22, 2018 at 09:19:23 pm EST
        
        Re: Because They're The Center For DISEASE Control. · Comicguy1 · Thu Feb 22, 2018 at 10:13:28 pm EST
        
        Re: Because They're The Center For DISEASE Control. · zvelf · Thu Feb 22, 2018 at 11:23:12 pm EST
        
        Re: Sigh! · Comicguy1 · Fri Feb 23, 2018 at 08:15:35 pm EST
        
        Re: Sigh! · zvelf · Sat Feb 24, 2018 at 07:50:37 am EST
        
        Re: I Didn't Say That It Was A Good Thing · Comicguy1 · Sat Feb 24, 2018 at 09:38:52 pm EST
        
        Re: I Didn't Say That It Was A Good Thing · zvelf · Sun Feb 25, 2018 at 05:16:05 pm EST
        
        Re: 3 Million Sounds Pretty Defensive To Me. · Comicguy1 · Mon Feb 26, 2018 at 12:25:57 pm EST
        
        Re: 3 Million Sounds Pretty Defensive To Me. · zvelf · Mon Feb 26, 2018 at 12:59:57 pm EST
        
        Re: 3 Million Sounds Pretty Defensive To Me. · bd2999 · Tue Feb 27, 2018 at 03:35:59 pm EST
        
        Re: Lutz? · Comicguy1 · Tue Feb 27, 2018 at 08:10:52 pm EST
        
        I butchered the name... · bd2999 · Wed Feb 28, 2018 at 02:44:14 pm EST
        
        Re: Oh, John LOTT! · Comicguy1 · Thu Mar 01, 2018 at 01:57:12 pm EST
        
        Re: Oh, John LOTT! · bd2999 · Mon Mar 12, 2018 at 11:06:36 am EDT
        
        Re: Kind Of A Logical Fallacy. · Comicguy1 · Tue Mar 13, 2018 at 03:04:04 pm EDT
        
        Re: AAAAAnd! · Comicguy1 · Thu Feb 22, 2018 at 05:37:25 pm EST
- Re: The solution · zvelf · Thu Feb 15, 2018 at 12:49:24 pm EST
  - Re: The solution · dblackstar2002 The Solution · Mon Feb 19, 2018 at 09:34:17 am EST
    - Re: Because They're Not Just Made For ONE Thing (War.). · Comicguy1 · Mon Feb 19, 2018 at 10:14:34 am EST
      - Re: Because They're Not Just Made For ONE Thing (War.). · Would be Watcher · Mon Feb 19, 2018 at 03:19:03 pm EST
        
        Re: I'm Sorry, But This Whole Thing Is Ridiculous! · Comicguy1 · Mon Feb 19, 2018 at 07:57:46 pm EST
        
        Re: I'm Sorry, But This Whole Thing Is Ridiculous! · Would be Watcher · Mon Feb 19, 2018 at 08:44:55 pm EST
        
        Re: You're Confusing Something. · Comicguy1 · Tue Feb 20, 2018 at 05:59:17 pm EST
        
        Re: You're Confusing Something. · Would be Watcher · Tue Feb 20, 2018 at 07:35:38 pm EST
        
        Re: Because They're Not Just Made For ONE Thing (War.). · atrimus · Mon Feb 19, 2018 at 05:57:56 pm EST
        
        Re: Because They're Not Just Made For ONE Thing (War.). · Would be Watcher · Mon Feb 19, 2018 at 06:20:21 pm EST
  - Re: The solution · Paladin · Thu Feb 15, 2018 at 03:07:03 pm EST
- Re: I Just Did This Post. But The Problem Is · Comicguy1 · Thu Feb 15, 2018 at 12:43:28 pm EST
  - Re: I Just Did This Post. But The Problem Is · bd2999 · Thu Feb 15, 2018 at 03:43:17 pm EST
    - Re: Assault Ban, And Clinton. · Comicguy1 · Fri Feb 16, 2018 at 06:14:47 pm EST
      - Re: Assault Ban, And Clinton. · bd2999 · Mon Feb 19, 2018 at 08:58:13 am EST
    - Just as an aside matter.... · MysteryMan · Fri Feb 16, 2018 at 08:26:55 am EST
      - Re: Just as an aside matter.... · bd2999 · Fri Feb 16, 2018 at 09:42:10 am EST
- Re: Florida · Would be Watcher · Thu Feb 15, 2018 at 11:50:56 am EST
  - Re: Not Really, Because · Comicguy1 · Thu Feb 15, 2018 at 12:46:08 pm EST
    - Re: Not Really, Because · dblackstar2002 Not true · Mon Feb 19, 2018 at 09:41:28 am EST
      - Re: Many Variables. · Comicguy1 · Mon Feb 19, 2018 at 10:17:35 am EST
    - Re: Not Really, Because · zvelf · Thu Feb 15, 2018 at 09:09:20 pm EST
      - Re: It's Still An Inability To Enforce Existing Gun Laws. · Comicguy1 · Fri Feb 16, 2018 at 06:20:15 pm EST
        
        Re: Your single data point is too small and misleading · zvelf · Sat Feb 17, 2018 at 12:33:42 am EST
        
        Re: That Doesn't Necessarily Have To Do With The LAWS, Though. · Comicguy1 · Sat Feb 17, 2018 at 02:13:50 pm EST
        
        This is sort of moving the goalpost a bit... · bd2999 · Mon Feb 19, 2018 at 09:05:24 am EST
        
        Re: Seriously? · Comicguy1 · Mon Feb 19, 2018 at 10:25:31 am EST
        
        This is again, changing topic... · bd2999 · Mon Feb 19, 2018 at 03:30:54 pm EST
        
        Re: That Doesn't Necessarily Have To Do With The LAWS, Though. · zvelf · Sat Feb 17, 2018 at 04:27:09 pm EST
        
        Re: You're Missing The Point, Though. · Comicguy1 · Sat Feb 17, 2018 at 05:36:39 pm EST
        
        Re: You're Missing The Point, Though. · bd2999 · Mon Feb 19, 2018 at 09:07:26 am EST
        
        Re: I Didn't Say That I Was "Cool" With Suicide. · Comicguy1 · Mon Feb 19, 2018 at 10:32:12 am EST
        
        Re: I Didn't Say That I Was "Cool" With Suicide. · bd2999 · Mon Feb 19, 2018 at 03:35:35 pm EST
        
        Re:Um. · Comicguy1 · Mon Feb 19, 2018 at 08:25:50 pm EST
        
        Re: You're Missing The Point, Though. · zvelf · Sun Feb 18, 2018 at 12:39:56 am EST
        
        Re: Actually, Violent Crime Has Been On The Decline For Quite Some Time. · Comicguy1 · Sun Feb 18, 2018 at 11:34:26 am EST
        
        Re: Actually, Violent Crime Has Been On The Decline For Quite Some Time. · zvelf · Sun Feb 18, 2018 at 06:47:06 pm EST
        
        Re: Actually, Violent Crime Has Been On The Decline For Quite Some Time. · bd2999 · Mon Feb 19, 2018 at 09:09:19 am EST
    - Re: Not Really, Because · bd2999 · Thu Feb 15, 2018 at 03:47:08 pm EST
    - Re: Not Really, Because · Would be Watcher · Thu Feb 15, 2018 at 03:09:50 pm EST
      - Re: Not Really, Because · bd2999 · Thu Feb 15, 2018 at 03:49:04 pm EST
        
        Re: Not Really, Because · MysteryMan · Fri Feb 16, 2018 at 08:30:43 am EST
        
        Re: Not Really, Because · Would be Watcher · Fri Feb 16, 2018 at 11:50:53 am EST
        
        Re: The Argument Is Made In Cases Like This Because · Comicguy1 · Fri Feb 16, 2018 at 06:27:26 pm EST
        
        Re: The Argument Is Made In Cases Like This Because · The Black Guardian · Sun Feb 18, 2018 at 04:57:41 pm EST
        
        Re: Not Really. · Comicguy1 · Sun Feb 18, 2018 at 06:11:07 pm EST
        
        Re: The Argument Is Made In Cases Like This Because · Would be Watcher · Fri Feb 16, 2018 at 11:29:32 pm EST
        
        Re: You Have To Get A Background Check, And There Is A Wait Period. · Comicguy1 · Sat Feb 17, 2018 at 02:21:20 pm EST
        
        Re: You Have To Get A Background Check, And There Is A Wait Period. · bd2999 · Mon Feb 19, 2018 at 03:38:52 pm EST
        
        Not quite sure the catr anal;ogy works · MysteryMan · Wed Feb 21, 2018 at 09:50:16 am EST
        
        Re: Exactly. Mass Homicides Have Been Carried Out With Cars And Trucks. · Comicguy1 · Wed Feb 21, 2018 at 10:01:10 am EST
        lmao...I cannot correct spelling in my own post because I get spam message · MysteryMan · Wed Feb 21, 2018 at 09:51:12 am EST
        
        Re: The Gun Show Loophole Is Really Not That Prevalent. · Comicguy1 · Mon Feb 19, 2018 at 08:02:47 pm EST
        
        Re: Not Really, Because · bd2999 · Fri Feb 16, 2018 at 09:48:50 am EST
        
        Re: The Gun Age Is Restricted As Well. · Comicguy1 · Fri Feb 16, 2018 at 06:34:00 pm EST
        
        Re: The Gun Age Is Restricted As Well. · bd2999 · Mon Feb 19, 2018 at 09:01:15 am EST
        
        Re: That's Not Too Common. · Comicguy1 · Mon Feb 19, 2018 at 11:06:39 am EST
        
        Re: That's Not Too Common. · bd2999 · Mon Feb 19, 2018 at 03:42:59 pm EST
        
        Most people compare US state by state, how about we compare gun control country by country · Bk Ray · Fri Feb 16, 2018 at 01:18:02 pm EST
        
        Re: Most people compare US state by state, how about we compare gun control country by country · bd2999 · Fri Feb 16, 2018 at 01:25:37 pm EST
        
        Re: How Are Cops Going To Get Guns If They're Removed From Circulation? · Comicguy1 · Fri Feb 16, 2018 at 06:47:03 pm EST
        
        I think you are getting a bit ridiculous... · bd2999 · Mon Feb 19, 2018 at 08:57:04 am EST
        
        Re: Have You Not Researched Washington? · Comicguy1 · Mon Feb 19, 2018 at 10:57:44 am EST
        
        Re: Have You Not Researched Washington? · bd2999 · Mon Feb 19, 2018 at 03:45:56 pm EST
        
        Re: Actually, Under Obama. · Comicguy1 · Mon Feb 19, 2018 at 08:07:17 pm EST
        
        I am confused as to what point this makes... · bd2999 · Tue Feb 20, 2018 at 11:31:45 am EST
        
        Re:Whatever The Reason · Comicguy1 · Tue Feb 20, 2018 at 05:49:55 pm EST
- Re: Florida · bd2999 · Thu Feb 15, 2018 at 11:38:45 am EST
- Re: Florida · The Black Guardian · Thu Feb 15, 2018 at 09:54:48 am EST
  - Re: Florida · bd2999 · Thu Feb 15, 2018 at 11:36:11 am EST
    - Re: Florida · The Black Guardian · Thu Feb 15, 2018 at 05:32:16 pm EST
  - and this might well be a compromise · Bk Ray · Thu Feb 15, 2018 at 10:27:02 am EST
- Not sure I dissagree but there is one thing people always forget... · MysteryMan · Thu Feb 15, 2018 at 08:09:10 am EST
  - Re: Not sure I dissagree but there is one thing people always forget... · bd2999 · Thu Feb 15, 2018 at 11:30:34 am EST
    - Re: Not sure I dissagree but there is one thing people always forget... · MysteryMan · Thu Feb 15, 2018 at 01:10:18 pm EST
      - Re: Not sure I dissagree but there is one thing people always forget... · bd2999 · Thu Feb 15, 2018 at 03:39:24 pm EST
      - Using the UK as an example · Bk Ray · Thu Feb 15, 2018 at 03:18:24 pm EST
        
        Re: Using the UK as an example · MysteryMan · Fri Feb 16, 2018 at 08:24:44 am EST
        
        Re: Using the UK as an example · Bk Ray · Fri Feb 16, 2018 at 04:38:35 pm EST
  - Re: Not sure I dissagree but there is one thing people always forget... · atrimus · Thu Feb 15, 2018 at 10:11:21 am EST
    - Re: That's The Fault Of MANY People, Though! · Comicguy1 · Thu Feb 15, 2018 at 01:34:29 pm EST
    - Re: Not sure I dissagree but there is one thing people always forget... · bd2999 · Thu Feb 15, 2018 at 11:31:34 am EST
    - It is something in the psyche · Bk Ray · Thu Feb 15, 2018 at 10:30:07 am EST
      - Re: It is something in the psyche · MysteryMan · Thu Feb 15, 2018 at 01:02:10 pm EST
  - Re: Not sure I dissagree but there is one thing people always forget... · The Black Guardian · Thu Feb 15, 2018 at 09:56:14 am EST
    - Re: Not sure I dissagree but there is one thing people always forget... · bd2999 · Thu Feb 15, 2018 at 11:34:12 am EST