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Subj: Re: The Argument Is Made In Cases Like This Because
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 at 06:27:26 pm EST (Viewed 616 times)
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Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 at 11:50:53 am EST (Viewed 565 times)

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      Actually, if you do a quick search states with more lax gun laws have more deaths based on guns. So, your assumption would prove out to be correct.


        Not saying there are not counter points, there usually are, but Chicago to me is always a bad example when you can just drive a short ways to Indiana and get a gun without worrying about any of those laws and bringing it back.


          It is one of the major issues with expecting States to do much of anything. Patchwork laws have major issues. Folks always complain about them but depending on the issue at hand there are major advantages to having a baseline.

    I am not sure that guns = safety is quite as simple as that.

    Does alcohol = safety?
    Do cars = safety?
    Does pot = safety?
    Does any of a myriad of things we expect in this country = safety?

    I think you can bring it up as a factor/weight in if guns are good overall. But not sure saying they arnt always safe is a slam dunk case to end having guns...if you look at alchohol statistics or opiods etc...the stats are horrifying.

The topic is more complex than that, but I'll point out that nobody claims that alcohol, cars or pot will improve your safety (quite the opposite actually). The gun proponents, however, do make that argument in a way or another.

These mass shootings almost always happen in places where people DON'T carry guns or have security. People don't carry guns and there aren't security guards or cops in churches or schools. I think that there's almost universal agreement that the problem is not guns themselves (Otherwise all gun owners and cops would be shooting people.), but guns getting into the WRONG hands!

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