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Subj: Re: Your single data point is too small and misleading
Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 at 12:33:42 am EST (Viewed 206 times)

Reply Subj: Re: It's Still An Inability To Enforce Existing Gun Laws.
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 at 06:20:15 pm EST (Viewed 187 times)

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Chicago is mostly gang-ridden, and gangs almost always obtain their guns illegally. And again, other states have very lax gun laws but low homicide rates. Look at Vermont, for starters.

Vermont is a slight outlier. If you look at all 50 states, there is a clear trend in which more guns = more gun deaths:

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- If kids are hitting each other with sticks..... · Bk Ray · Tue Feb 27, 2018 at 04:37:15 am EST
  - Re: If kids are hitting each other with sticks..... · bd2999 · Wed Feb 28, 2018 at 02:51:54 pm EST
- I think this goes here... · Would be Watcher · Mon Feb 19, 2018 at 11:10:31 am EST
  - And that too... · Would be Watcher · Mon Feb 19, 2018 at 09:02:38 pm EST
    - IDK why FB blurp so many all of a sudden but here is one more... · Would be Watcher · Tue Feb 20, 2018 at 05:09:07 pm EST
      - Re: IDK why FB blurp so many all of a sudden but here is one more... · bd2999 · Wed Feb 21, 2018 at 02:51:50 pm EST
        
        Re: What Conspiracy Theories? And, Guns! · Comicguy1 · Wed Feb 21, 2018 at 07:28:57 pm EST
        
        Re: What Conspiracy Theories? And, Guns! · zvelf · Thu Feb 22, 2018 at 01:22:49 pm EST
        
        Re: Actually, Check This Out. · Comicguy1 · Thu Feb 22, 2018 at 05:32:14 pm EST
        
        Re: Actually, Check This Out. · Trent Trueheart · Sat Feb 24, 2018 at 08:13:39 am EST
        
        Re: No · Comicguy1 · Sat Feb 24, 2018 at 08:40:11 pm EST
        
        Re: No · Trent Trueheart · Sun Feb 25, 2018 at 10:17:29 am EST
        
        Re: You Can't PREVENT Mass Shootings! · Comicguy1 · Tue Feb 27, 2018 at 12:41:41 pm EST
        
        Re: You Can't PREVENT Mass Shootings! · Trent Trueheart · Thu Mar 01, 2018 at 08:47:48 am EST
        
        Re: Nonsense! · Comicguy1 · Thu Mar 01, 2018 at 12:58:36 pm EST
        
        Re: Nonsense! · Trent Trueheart · Fri Mar 02, 2018 at 10:24:30 am EST
        
        Re: Precautions, Yes. · Comicguy1 · Fri Mar 02, 2018 at 07:08:12 pm EST
        
        Re: Precautions, Yes. · Trent Trueheart · Fri Mar 02, 2018 at 07:47:30 pm EST
        
        Re: Clearly. · Comicguy1 · Fri Mar 02, 2018 at 10:13:14 pm EST
        
        Re: You Can't PREVENT Mass Shootings! · zvelf · Tue Feb 27, 2018 at 11:28:04 pm EST
        
        Re: There Are Other Forms Of Mass Killings. · Comicguy1 · Wed Feb 28, 2018 at 10:31:04 am EST
        
        Re: There Are Other Forms Of Mass Killings. · zvelf · Fri Mar 02, 2018 at 01:29:27 pm EST
        
        Re: You're Arguing On An Emotional Level. · Comicguy1 · Fri Mar 02, 2018 at 04:29:38 pm EST
        
        Re: You're Arguing On An Emotional Level. · zvelf · Sat Mar 03, 2018 at 12:00:50 am EST
        
        Re: Please Stop Putting Words Into My Mouth · Comicguy1 · Sat Mar 03, 2018 at 08:34:41 am EST
        
        Re: Please Stop Putting Words Into My Mouth · bd2999 · Mon Mar 05, 2018 at 04:27:16 pm EST
        
        Re: Not Really. · Comicguy1 · Mon Mar 05, 2018 at 08:54:30 pm EST
        
        Re: Not Really. · Bk Ray · Tue Mar 06, 2018 at 01:46:15 am EST
        
        Re: We're Talking About MASS Killers, Here. · Comicguy1 · Tue Mar 06, 2018 at 11:46:00 am EST
        
        I fail to see your point... · bd2999 · Wed Feb 28, 2018 at 02:47:45 pm EST
        
        Re: I Didn't Say That Nothing Should Be Done. · Comicguy1 · Wed Feb 28, 2018 at 09:56:45 pm EST
        
        False · bd2999 · Tue Feb 27, 2018 at 03:27:49 pm EST
        
        Re: I'm Not Against All Regulations. · Comicguy1 · Tue Feb 27, 2018 at 08:03:31 pm EST
        
        Re: I'm Not Against All Regulations. · bd2999 · Wed Feb 28, 2018 at 02:51:10 pm EST
        
        Re: The Assault Weapons Ban Wasn't Unconstitutional. No. · Comicguy1 · Wed Feb 28, 2018 at 10:02:25 pm EST
        
        Re: Actually, Check This Out. · The Black Guardian · Fri Feb 23, 2018 at 08:18:38 am EST
        
        Re: No, Not At All. · Comicguy1 · Fri Feb 23, 2018 at 08:08:22 pm EST
        
        Ye, Most Certainly. · The Black Guardian · Sat Feb 24, 2018 at 10:29:29 am EST
        
        Re: Not Sure Where Your Getting This From. · Comicguy1 · Sat Feb 24, 2018 at 08:43:45 pm EST
        
        Re: Not Sure Where Your Getting This From. · zvelf · Tue Feb 27, 2018 at 11:19:21 pm EST
        
        Re: If The Shooters Want To Go Out In A Blaze Of Glory · Comicguy1 · Wed Feb 28, 2018 at 10:34:25 am EST
        
        Re: If The Shooters Want To Go Out In A Blaze Of Glory · zvelf · Wed Feb 28, 2018 at 09:40:02 pm EST
        
        Re: DUH! · Comicguy1 · Wed Feb 28, 2018 at 10:04:21 pm EST
        
        Re: DUH! · zvelf · Thu Mar 01, 2018 at 03:23:30 pm EST
        
        Re: No, It's Not My Belief. · Comicguy1 · Thu Mar 01, 2018 at 04:34:35 pm EST
        
        Re: No, It's Not My Belief. · zvelf · Fri Mar 02, 2018 at 01:25:22 pm EST
        
        Re: If The Shooters Want To Go Out In A Blaze Of Glory · bd2999 · Wed Feb 28, 2018 at 02:55:00 pm EST
        
        Re: Very RARELY Do They Target Those Locations! · Comicguy1 · Wed Feb 28, 2018 at 10:08:07 pm EST
        
        Re: Actually, Check This Out. · zvelf · Thu Feb 22, 2018 at 06:21:18 pm EST
        
        Re: I Didn't Say That They NEVER Happen! · Comicguy1 · Thu Feb 22, 2018 at 06:39:11 pm EST
        
        Re: I Didn't Say That They NEVER Happen! · zvelf · Thu Feb 22, 2018 at 09:24:49 pm EST
        
        Re: That Doesn't Change The Fact · Comicguy1 · Thu Feb 22, 2018 at 10:17:59 pm EST
        
        Re: That Doesn't Change The Fact · zvelf · Thu Feb 22, 2018 at 11:21:11 pm EST
        
        Re: No, Ridiculous. · Comicguy1 · Fri Feb 23, 2018 at 08:04:17 pm EST
        
        Re: No, Ridiculous. · zvelf · Sat Feb 24, 2018 at 07:46:53 am EST
        
        Re: No, Still Ridiculous. · Comicguy1 · Sat Feb 24, 2018 at 09:33:12 pm EST
        
        Re: No, Still Ridiculous. · zvelf · Sun Feb 25, 2018 at 05:38:49 pm EST
        
        Re: No, Still Ridiculous. · bd2999 · Tue Feb 27, 2018 at 03:31:08 pm EST
        Re: Fallacies. · Comicguy1 · Mon Feb 26, 2018 at 01:12:29 pm EST
        
        Re: Fallacies. · zvelf · Wed Feb 28, 2018 at 09:44:06 pm EST
        
        Re: Somewhat Better. · Comicguy1 · Thu Mar 01, 2018 at 01:49:21 pm EST
        
        Re: Somewhat Better. · zvelf · Fri Mar 02, 2018 at 01:23:37 pm EST
        
        Re: You're Going Backwards Now. · Comicguy1 · Fri Mar 02, 2018 at 04:24:13 pm EST
        
        Re: You're Going Backwards Now. · zvelf · Fri Mar 02, 2018 at 11:58:18 pm EST
        
        Re:Aaaaaaand · Comicguy1 · Sat Mar 03, 2018 at 09:16:30 am EST
        
        Re:Aaaaaaand · zvelf · Sun Mar 04, 2018 at 08:46:35 pm EST
        
        Re:You're Still Missing A Few Things. · Comicguy1 · Mon Mar 05, 2018 at 09:08:52 pm EST
        
        Re:You're Still Missing A Few Things. · zvelf · Tue Mar 06, 2018 at 01:38:24 pm EST
        
        Re:A Few Things. · Comicguy1 · Tue Mar 06, 2018 at 07:28:39 pm EST
        
        Re:A Few Things. · zvelf · Wed Mar 07, 2018 at 08:17:09 pm EST
        
        Re: OOOOOOOOOHHH , Boooyyy! · Comicguy1 · Fri Mar 09, 2018 at 12:43:00 pm EST
        
        Re: OOOOOOOOOHHH , Boooyyy! · zvelf · Mon Mar 12, 2018 at 04:47:35 pm EDT
        
        Re:A Few Things. · bd2999 · Wed Mar 07, 2018 at 10:53:19 am EST
        
        Re: The Link Won't Work, Here Is The Article. · Comicguy1 · Thu Feb 22, 2018 at 05:34:39 pm EST
        
        Re: The Link Won't Work, Here Is The Article. · zvelf · Thu Feb 22, 2018 at 06:19:33 pm EST
        
        Re: You Do Know That OBAMA Ordered This Study Done, Don't You? · Comicguy1 · Thu Feb 22, 2018 at 06:40:56 pm EST
        
        Re: You Do Know That OBAMA Ordered This Study Done, Don't You? · bd2999 · Tue Feb 27, 2018 at 03:33:20 pm EST
        
        Re: Private Research. · Comicguy1 · Tue Feb 27, 2018 at 08:09:05 pm EST
        
        The CDC actually does many studies regarding health... · bd2999 · Wed Feb 28, 2018 at 02:41:55 pm EST
        
        Re: You Do Know That OBAMA Ordered This Study Done, Don't You? · zvelf · Thu Feb 22, 2018 at 09:19:23 pm EST
        
        Re: Because They're The Center For DISEASE Control. · Comicguy1 · Thu Feb 22, 2018 at 10:13:28 pm EST
        
        Re: Because They're The Center For DISEASE Control. · zvelf · Thu Feb 22, 2018 at 11:23:12 pm EST
        
        Re: Sigh! · Comicguy1 · Fri Feb 23, 2018 at 08:15:35 pm EST
        
        Re: Sigh! · zvelf · Sat Feb 24, 2018 at 07:50:37 am EST
        
        Re: I Didn't Say That It Was A Good Thing · Comicguy1 · Sat Feb 24, 2018 at 09:38:52 pm EST
        
        Re: I Didn't Say That It Was A Good Thing · zvelf · Sun Feb 25, 2018 at 05:16:05 pm EST
        
        Re: 3 Million Sounds Pretty Defensive To Me. · Comicguy1 · Mon Feb 26, 2018 at 12:25:57 pm EST
        
        Re: 3 Million Sounds Pretty Defensive To Me. · zvelf · Mon Feb 26, 2018 at 12:59:57 pm EST
        
        Re: 3 Million Sounds Pretty Defensive To Me. · bd2999 · Tue Feb 27, 2018 at 03:35:59 pm EST
        
        Re: Lutz? · Comicguy1 · Tue Feb 27, 2018 at 08:10:52 pm EST
        
        I butchered the name... · bd2999 · Wed Feb 28, 2018 at 02:44:14 pm EST
        
        Re: Oh, John LOTT! · Comicguy1 · Thu Mar 01, 2018 at 01:57:12 pm EST
        
        Re: Oh, John LOTT! · bd2999 · Mon Mar 12, 2018 at 11:06:36 am EDT
        
        Re: Kind Of A Logical Fallacy. · Comicguy1 · Tue Mar 13, 2018 at 03:04:04 pm EDT
        
        Re: AAAAAnd! · Comicguy1 · Thu Feb 22, 2018 at 05:37:25 pm EST
- Re: The solution · zvelf · Thu Feb 15, 2018 at 12:49:24 pm EST
  - Re: The solution · dblackstar2002 The Solution · Mon Feb 19, 2018 at 09:34:17 am EST
    - Re: Because They're Not Just Made For ONE Thing (War.). · Comicguy1 · Mon Feb 19, 2018 at 10:14:34 am EST
      - Re: Because They're Not Just Made For ONE Thing (War.). · Would be Watcher · Mon Feb 19, 2018 at 03:19:03 pm EST
        
        Re: I'm Sorry, But This Whole Thing Is Ridiculous! · Comicguy1 · Mon Feb 19, 2018 at 07:57:46 pm EST
        
        Re: I'm Sorry, But This Whole Thing Is Ridiculous! · Would be Watcher · Mon Feb 19, 2018 at 08:44:55 pm EST
        
        Re: You're Confusing Something. · Comicguy1 · Tue Feb 20, 2018 at 05:59:17 pm EST
        
        Re: You're Confusing Something. · Would be Watcher · Tue Feb 20, 2018 at 07:35:38 pm EST
        
        Re: Because They're Not Just Made For ONE Thing (War.). · atrimus · Mon Feb 19, 2018 at 05:57:56 pm EST
        
        Re: Because They're Not Just Made For ONE Thing (War.). · Would be Watcher · Mon Feb 19, 2018 at 06:20:21 pm EST
  - Re: The solution · Paladin · Thu Feb 15, 2018 at 03:07:03 pm EST
- Re: I Just Did This Post. But The Problem Is · Comicguy1 · Thu Feb 15, 2018 at 12:43:28 pm EST
  - Re: I Just Did This Post. But The Problem Is · bd2999 · Thu Feb 15, 2018 at 03:43:17 pm EST
    - Re: Assault Ban, And Clinton. · Comicguy1 · Fri Feb 16, 2018 at 06:14:47 pm EST
      - Re: Assault Ban, And Clinton. · bd2999 · Mon Feb 19, 2018 at 08:58:13 am EST
    - Just as an aside matter.... · MysteryMan · Fri Feb 16, 2018 at 08:26:55 am EST
      - Re: Just as an aside matter.... · bd2999 · Fri Feb 16, 2018 at 09:42:10 am EST
- Re: Florida · Would be Watcher · Thu Feb 15, 2018 at 11:50:56 am EST
  - Re: Not Really, Because · Comicguy1 · Thu Feb 15, 2018 at 12:46:08 pm EST
    - Re: Not Really, Because · dblackstar2002 Not true · Mon Feb 19, 2018 at 09:41:28 am EST
      - Re: Many Variables. · Comicguy1 · Mon Feb 19, 2018 at 10:17:35 am EST
    - Re: Not Really, Because · zvelf · Thu Feb 15, 2018 at 09:09:20 pm EST
      - Re: It's Still An Inability To Enforce Existing Gun Laws. · Comicguy1 · Fri Feb 16, 2018 at 06:20:15 pm EST
        
        Re: Your single data point is too small and misleading · zvelf · Sat Feb 17, 2018 at 12:33:42 am EST
        
        Re: That Doesn't Necessarily Have To Do With The LAWS, Though. · Comicguy1 · Sat Feb 17, 2018 at 02:13:50 pm EST
        
        This is sort of moving the goalpost a bit... · bd2999 · Mon Feb 19, 2018 at 09:05:24 am EST
        
        Re: Seriously? · Comicguy1 · Mon Feb 19, 2018 at 10:25:31 am EST
        
        This is again, changing topic... · bd2999 · Mon Feb 19, 2018 at 03:30:54 pm EST
        
        Re: That Doesn't Necessarily Have To Do With The LAWS, Though. · zvelf · Sat Feb 17, 2018 at 04:27:09 pm EST
        
        Re: You're Missing The Point, Though. · Comicguy1 · Sat Feb 17, 2018 at 05:36:39 pm EST
        
        Re: You're Missing The Point, Though. · bd2999 · Mon Feb 19, 2018 at 09:07:26 am EST
        
        Re: I Didn't Say That I Was "Cool" With Suicide. · Comicguy1 · Mon Feb 19, 2018 at 10:32:12 am EST
        
        Re: I Didn't Say That I Was "Cool" With Suicide. · bd2999 · Mon Feb 19, 2018 at 03:35:35 pm EST
        
        Re:Um. · Comicguy1 · Mon Feb 19, 2018 at 08:25:50 pm EST
        
        Re: You're Missing The Point, Though. · zvelf · Sun Feb 18, 2018 at 12:39:56 am EST
        
        Re: Actually, Violent Crime Has Been On The Decline For Quite Some Time. · Comicguy1 · Sun Feb 18, 2018 at 11:34:26 am EST
        
        Re: Actually, Violent Crime Has Been On The Decline For Quite Some Time. · zvelf · Sun Feb 18, 2018 at 06:47:06 pm EST
        
        Re: Actually, Violent Crime Has Been On The Decline For Quite Some Time. · bd2999 · Mon Feb 19, 2018 at 09:09:19 am EST
    - Re: Not Really, Because · bd2999 · Thu Feb 15, 2018 at 03:47:08 pm EST
    - Re: Not Really, Because · Would be Watcher · Thu Feb 15, 2018 at 03:09:50 pm EST
      - Re: Not Really, Because · bd2999 · Thu Feb 15, 2018 at 03:49:04 pm EST
        
        Re: Not Really, Because · MysteryMan · Fri Feb 16, 2018 at 08:30:43 am EST
        
        Re: Not Really, Because · Would be Watcher · Fri Feb 16, 2018 at 11:50:53 am EST
        
        Re: The Argument Is Made In Cases Like This Because · Comicguy1 · Fri Feb 16, 2018 at 06:27:26 pm EST
        
        Re: The Argument Is Made In Cases Like This Because · The Black Guardian · Sun Feb 18, 2018 at 04:57:41 pm EST
        
        Re: Not Really. · Comicguy1 · Sun Feb 18, 2018 at 06:11:07 pm EST
        
        Re: The Argument Is Made In Cases Like This Because · Would be Watcher · Fri Feb 16, 2018 at 11:29:32 pm EST
        
        Re: You Have To Get A Background Check, And There Is A Wait Period. · Comicguy1 · Sat Feb 17, 2018 at 02:21:20 pm EST
        
        Re: You Have To Get A Background Check, And There Is A Wait Period. · bd2999 · Mon Feb 19, 2018 at 03:38:52 pm EST
        
        Not quite sure the catr anal;ogy works · MysteryMan · Wed Feb 21, 2018 at 09:50:16 am EST
        
        Re: Exactly. Mass Homicides Have Been Carried Out With Cars And Trucks. · Comicguy1 · Wed Feb 21, 2018 at 10:01:10 am EST
        lmao...I cannot correct spelling in my own post because I get spam message · MysteryMan · Wed Feb 21, 2018 at 09:51:12 am EST
        
        Re: The Gun Show Loophole Is Really Not That Prevalent. · Comicguy1 · Mon Feb 19, 2018 at 08:02:47 pm EST
        
        Re: Not Really, Because · bd2999 · Fri Feb 16, 2018 at 09:48:50 am EST
        
        Re: The Gun Age Is Restricted As Well. · Comicguy1 · Fri Feb 16, 2018 at 06:34:00 pm EST
        
        Re: The Gun Age Is Restricted As Well. · bd2999 · Mon Feb 19, 2018 at 09:01:15 am EST
        
        Re: That's Not Too Common. · Comicguy1 · Mon Feb 19, 2018 at 11:06:39 am EST
        
        Re: That's Not Too Common. · bd2999 · Mon Feb 19, 2018 at 03:42:59 pm EST
        
        Most people compare US state by state, how about we compare gun control country by country · Bk Ray · Fri Feb 16, 2018 at 01:18:02 pm EST
        
        Re: Most people compare US state by state, how about we compare gun control country by country · bd2999 · Fri Feb 16, 2018 at 01:25:37 pm EST
        
        Re: How Are Cops Going To Get Guns If They're Removed From Circulation? · Comicguy1 · Fri Feb 16, 2018 at 06:47:03 pm EST
        
        I think you are getting a bit ridiculous... · bd2999 · Mon Feb 19, 2018 at 08:57:04 am EST
        
        Re: Have You Not Researched Washington? · Comicguy1 · Mon Feb 19, 2018 at 10:57:44 am EST
        
        Re: Have You Not Researched Washington? · bd2999 · Mon Feb 19, 2018 at 03:45:56 pm EST
        
        Re: Actually, Under Obama. · Comicguy1 · Mon Feb 19, 2018 at 08:07:17 pm EST
        
        I am confused as to what point this makes... · bd2999 · Tue Feb 20, 2018 at 11:31:45 am EST
        
        Re:Whatever The Reason · Comicguy1 · Tue Feb 20, 2018 at 05:49:55 pm EST
- Re: Florida · bd2999 · Thu Feb 15, 2018 at 11:38:45 am EST
- Re: Florida · The Black Guardian · Thu Feb 15, 2018 at 09:54:48 am EST
  - Re: Florida · bd2999 · Thu Feb 15, 2018 at 11:36:11 am EST
    - Re: Florida · The Black Guardian · Thu Feb 15, 2018 at 05:32:16 pm EST
  - and this might well be a compromise · Bk Ray · Thu Feb 15, 2018 at 10:27:02 am EST
- Not sure I dissagree but there is one thing people always forget... · MysteryMan · Thu Feb 15, 2018 at 08:09:10 am EST
  - Re: Not sure I dissagree but there is one thing people always forget... · bd2999 · Thu Feb 15, 2018 at 11:30:34 am EST
    - Re: Not sure I dissagree but there is one thing people always forget... · MysteryMan · Thu Feb 15, 2018 at 01:10:18 pm EST
      - Re: Not sure I dissagree but there is one thing people always forget... · bd2999 · Thu Feb 15, 2018 at 03:39:24 pm EST
      - Using the UK as an example · Bk Ray · Thu Feb 15, 2018 at 03:18:24 pm EST
        
        Re: Using the UK as an example · MysteryMan · Fri Feb 16, 2018 at 08:24:44 am EST
        
        Re: Using the UK as an example · Bk Ray · Fri Feb 16, 2018 at 04:38:35 pm EST
  - Re: Not sure I dissagree but there is one thing people always forget... · atrimus · Thu Feb 15, 2018 at 10:11:21 am EST
    - Re: That's The Fault Of MANY People, Though! · Comicguy1 · Thu Feb 15, 2018 at 01:34:29 pm EST
    - Re: Not sure I dissagree but there is one thing people always forget... · bd2999 · Thu Feb 15, 2018 at 11:31:34 am EST
    - It is something in the psyche · Bk Ray · Thu Feb 15, 2018 at 10:30:07 am EST
      - Re: It is something in the psyche · MysteryMan · Thu Feb 15, 2018 at 01:02:10 pm EST
  - Re: Not sure I dissagree but there is one thing people always forget... · The Black Guardian · Thu Feb 15, 2018 at 09:56:14 am EST
    - Re: Not sure I dissagree but there is one thing people always forget... · bd2999 · Thu Feb 15, 2018 at 11:34:12 am EST