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Subj: Re: Actually, Violent Crime Has Been On The Decline For Quite Some Time.
Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 at 09:09:19 am EST (Viewed 626 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Actually, Violent Crime Has Been On The Decline For Quite Some Time.
Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 at 06:47:06 pm EST (Viewed 744 times)

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     At least before the past year or two (Which is when these mass shootings have been starting to happen.).  If you look at the homicide rates in New York and Chicago (A gang-infested area.), they have actually gone down quite a bit.
You're just making my point for me. Gun ownership has been on the decline as well so gun homicide rates should go down as well. Gun sales are just as high as before, but fewer people own guns these days. It's just that the people who do own guns buy multiple guns.

     And guns are not always used to kill or injure people. Pistol shooting is an olympic sport, for one. And there's also hunting, justifiable self-defense deaths, and a few other purposes that aren't exactly homicidal in intent. Guns themselves aren't the problem, because many if not most gun owners and police officers can responsibly handle guns. Most people who obtain guns legally don't murder people, the violent crime usually comes from criminals who have illegally obtained their guns. I fail to see why most people shouldn't be allowed to have a gun or two if they can use it reasonably (Just like cars, alcohol or knives.), or why people should stop hunting, etc.

My point has nothing to do with whether guns have legitimate uses. They do. The question is whether those legitimate uses are worth 30,000+ gun deaths per year. Guns aren't solely the problem, but they are a huge factor in the problem. The vast majority of first world countries have very low rates of gun ownership and very low rates of gun deaths. Do you think that's just coincidence? After Australia made great efforts to reduce its number of guns, gun deaths in the country dropped dramatically. With more than 80 gun deaths every day, 80 just today, 80 more tomorrow and 80 more the day after, Americans have shown they can't use guns responsibly. Are you okay with that?

I agree, and one can make the case that the US is unique only in the sense that we have more guns available. Most other countries also have the other issues we hear clamored on about whenever these debates come up again and again.

I guess we could argue that some countries have better mental health services. Which the US is pretty pathetic at in general. Not saying that is related to gun crime at all, most data I have seen state the reverse, but it is still something that is a major issue in the US.

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