Previous Post  We were having a rational discussion here, please don't put words in my mouth or accuse me of saying things that I never said. That's irrelevant to the gun debate. I stated that other countries have been able to minimize gun violence and your retort was to say there are other ways to kill people so we should ignore guns being a way to kill people despite guns being by far the best way to kill people in the United States.>   When did I say this? Please tell me! I was talking about how mass murderers can find ways to kill people if that they're determined.  Citing the true number of deaths each year by guns in the U.S. is not arguing on an emotional level. It's just citing a true statistic. It should arouse emotions because it's so horrifying, >    When did I say that it shouldn't, or that it isn't?    but you're trying to repress it because it goes against your argument.>  Another accusation,  all I said was that there are stories behind the numbers.  The number of times guns are used in self-defense is tiny and outweighed by homicides, suicides, and accidents.>   It's really not that tiny when you're only very broadly clarifying self-defense.  And guns are used for other lawful purposes aside from self-defense. The fact that they're used more for injuring people doesn't just change that fact.

To be fair though, you do like to point out that people die from other things. That is a tactic usually used by somebody who is trying to diminish the role of firearms in the issue.

Which is often made, at least from my experience, from places of putting more value on arguing the nuances of firearms than it is actually debating much else. I mean that generally it is made to say "Thing x also kills people, but nobody is going to ban that thing". Which is a pretty poor argument.

If one considers cars for instance, it has come up a few times here. People are still killed by cars, in varying ways. However, cars are regulated. I imagine that somebody arguing from a similar point of view would be along the lines that the regulations have failed since we still see these things.

However, I would argue the reverse. If we did not require training many more people would die, kids driving cars would kill more and DUI laws at least do something. It is just hard to quantify preventative measures.