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zvelf

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Comicguy1

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Subj: Re:A Few Things.
Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 at 08:17:09 pm EST (Viewed 232 times)
Reply Subj: Re:A Few Things.
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 at 07:28:39 pm EST (Viewed 227 times)



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      What kind of misbegotten logic is that? What don't we just make murder legal then?
    Said by NOBODY! Where do you get this from?


You wrote that just because states allow guns into bars that it doesn't mean people will do it. So I pointed out how illogical that statement was with an analogy to show how absurd you're being: just because we make murder legal doesn't mean people will do it can be justified by that same logic. Anyway, why would anyone pass a law to allow guns into bars unless some people desired to bring guns into bars?


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      Just because you allow murder doesn't mean that people will do it. Ridiculous
    Most people wouldn't go out and start killing, they have morals and limits. I have faith in my fellow man.


So you're arguing that murder should be made legal?


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      Purposely allowing guns into bars is the equivalent of selling guns to a drunk. 95% of the people in bars are there to drink alcohol.
    I don't think that it's a good idea. Is it MANDATORY, though?


Of course it's not mandatory. How can the government force you to buy guns and bring them some place? Being mandatory has nothing to do with it being a bad idea.


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      No. That's not what driving tests are for at all. Anyone can learn how to drive without a test. A test gives you a license and without a license, you're driving illegally.
    Yet we don't allow certain segments of the population to drive, and you can lose your license.


So?


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      What's your point?
    That people should be allowed to drive because other people use their cars for criminal intents and purposes. Just like responsible gun owners should be allowed to buy or get a gun because other people use their guns for criminal purposes, or buy alcohol because other people use it for illegal purposes.


So any time anyone can use something responsibly, then it shouldn't be made illegal? Yet you agreed that machine guns shouldn't be legal. Why not? You agreed nuclear weapons shouldn't be legal? Why not? How about grenades? Rocket launchers? My point is simply that if something can be abused seriously enough, it's a moot point whether others can use that something responsibly and that can't be a reason to justify making something legal. By your standard, nothing can be made illegal.


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      If they never have to use their guns, then they don't need them
    Not true at all! People get guns for all kinds of reasons, it doesn't mean that they always use them. You can get one for protection, but still not use it.


So let's look at your reason as to whether they counter the point of having training with a gun. If you buy a gun for protection, then you should have training. What would be the point of buying something for protection that you don't know how to use and you don't know how to keep yourself safe from?


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    police officers don't use their guns, but they still need them.


Are you retarded? Police officers get training!


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    There are also people who have insurance that they never use.


You obviously don't understand the concept of insurance.


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    A training course would be beneficial, but certainly can't be made mandatory.


Of course it CAN be made mandatory. Other countries have made it mandatory.


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      In fact, the police in many countries don't carry guns.
    That's nice, but they do in this country.


That's a non sequitur and completely irrelevant to the point I was making.


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      If cops misuse their weapons, that is in spite of their training. Gun owners should all receive training
    Regular gun owners are different than police and security officers.


They are not so different that training wouldn't make one a more responsible gun owner.


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    Also, cops have no legal obligation to protect you.


Another non sequitur that's completely irrelevant to the point I was making.


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      But more people don't have guns. The rate of gun ownership has been on the decline.
    Were you not paying attention during The Obama presidency? Obama himself even said that he was good for gun sales. After mass shootings, gun sales go up. There are said to be more guns than people, so if guns themselves were the problem we would pretty much all be dead.


You obviously have no idea how these things work.


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    And no, guns will not just go away, people have been trying for decades. Sorry! And one thing that you don't note about gun crime is that it usually occurs in poor areas and how it is connected to poverty. No amount of gun laws are going to help if you still have those conditions.


That's unproven.


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      So you're against all illicit drugs being illegal. You think heroine should be legal?
    YES! Maybe not outright legal, but at least decriminalized. You can't imprison someone for just being a heroin addict (Unless they commit a crime to harbor said addiction.), just like you don't imprison people for being alcoholic or addicted to caffeine or tobacco. Also, the big problem is PRESCRIPTION drugs! And opioid's.


Wow. So you don't think there are things that are so dangerous that they should be outlawed? People can become addicted to heroine after only a few tries and people can overdose on heroine on their first try.


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      When has the Second Amendment been amended?
    In plenty of court cases.


That's not amending anything. An Amendment is a very specific thing in American jurisprudence.


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      Because, contrary to your claims, suicide in the vast majority of instances, is a very bad thing,
    I didn't say that it wasn't.


You were trying to make suicide less egregious by citing euthanasia.


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      and justifiable homicide is a very rare thing.
    Not at all. Even the CDC study said that it's not.


Wrong. Less than 1% of intentional shootings are in self-defense:

http://politicsthatwork.com/graphs/gun-suicide-murder-defense


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      All you're arguing is that because stricter gun laws wouldn't solve everything, we shouldn't have them.
    Again, not at all. I said that it wouldn't stop mass killings or school shootings.


It doesn't have to stop them altogether. If stricter gun laws reduced their number, that is something important right there.




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