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Sumidor

Member Since: Sat Feb 25, 2017
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zvelf

Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
Subj: Re: Trump and the porn star
Posted: Thu May 10, 2018 at 10:29:37 pm EDT (Viewed 660 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Trump and the porn star
Posted: Thu May 10, 2018 at 12:07:44 pm EDT (Viewed 669 times)



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        Once upon a time, news that the President of the United States had an affair with a porn star, that he paid her off with $130,000, and lied about it would have been the biggest story of the year. That this is just accepted by Trump’s supporters as another incident to be disregarded in a long line of similarly incredulous incidents just goes to show how low the bar has been set.
      I think this "bar" you mention is in your imagination.



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    Ah, we're about to begin the whataboutism from you, your specialty in deflecting criticism.



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      Senator Ted Kennedy killed a woman, and was afterward consistently a Democrat hero, winning multiple re-elections.



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    Uh, this was a huge, huge story at the time so you're wrong. All you've done is change the goal post from big media story to how supporters reacted. Different things.


I think you misunderstood the entire point of my post. I was directing my replies to your premise that Trump voters have lowered a bar. My opening and closing statements referenced your supposed "bar", and each example was evidence that no bar ever existed. Trump is accused of having consensual sex with a porn star. Ted Kennedy was accused of killing a woman, and Clinton was accused of violently raping and beating women. Please understand, I am not defending anyone's actions. I'm pointing out the complete lunacy that you believe a bar has all of a sudden been lowered.

But if you instead would prefer I address your other point, that the porn star is not making big waves in the news, that too is equally wrong. Stormy Daniels has been the topic of dozens and dozens of news reports, as has her lawyer. She had a big interview on CNN, she's been on SNL, the View, and Jimmy Kimmel. Her lawyer has been on Stephen Colbert, Don Lemon, Jake Tapper, The View, and other shows. Stormy Daniels has been on multiple covers of news papers. I'm not sure what more press these two can do for you to consider this a big story.


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      Bill Clinton violently beat and raped multiple women, and silenced one of them with a pay off for $850,000. Yet he arrived to the Democratic national convention to thunderous applause.



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    This is totally misleading. Clinton's $850,000 was a very public settlement over a sexual harassment lawsuit that was dismissed by the court. Trump tried to buy off a porn star's silence under the table.


This is absolutely 100% false. The case was not dismissed by the court. Clinton settled out of court with Paula Jones for $850,000 so he wouldn't be brought up on charges. This was not dismissed by the court. You are simply wrong.


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      We can go back to the founding of the republic and look at the Maria Reynolds' affair, which did not diminish Alexander Hamilton's image to his supporters.



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    Goal post moving again.


I'm not attempting to move a goal post. I'm not sure what goals or scores you are keeping. You claimed Trump voters have lowered a bar, I am demonstrating that going back centuries the same behavior was common. There never was a high bar to be lowered.


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      Not only is there no bar in existence (neither high, nor low), but such a bar never existed except when the bar could be used as a political weapon.



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    All I see is you excusing abhorrent behavior by saying both sides do it so it doesn't matter.


I am not excusing behavior. I am providing evidence that there was never a high bar to have been lowered. The only time people speak of a bar being in existence is when they want to attack someone with different political beliefs. Adams was attacked in such a manner, as was Jefferson, as was Grover Cleveland, etc, etc.

There is no bar. There never was a bar. You are just looking for a political weapon.



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